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Why would heaven need a ruler? Heaven need rulers so that the nuns can use them to dish out corporal punishment and wank unruly believers in the hand with them |
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Audie wrote: You have the wrong idea of what a ruler is,… Funches wrote: Heaven need rulers so that the nuns can use them to dish out corporal punishment and wank unruly believers in the hand with them I see.  |
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jb I can understand that there will be no marriage. Thank God for that. But I think there will be orgasms. Not just ordinary sex. You shake hands with someone, and you have orgasmic joy spasms. Robert Monroe describes this in his books about his journeys out of the body. tribo  my majik flute will not be happy to hear that!! so does that mean if i shake hands with a man i will have an orgasm? or a little girl? sound rather sick to me - The orgasmic exchange is always an mutual choice and it can be refused. Beings are not concerned with the kind of morality we know in the physical world. It is not the kind of physical grunting sex you are familiar with. Beings are just energy beings, taking on the forms they decide to project. There are no "little girls" unless you run into a spirit who still clings to her little girl earth image. The male female distinction only exists in the material worlds where there are physical bodies. That can include the lower astral worlds, and astral bodies, but they can change their appearance and sex when they want. In the spirit realm you can choose to project what you want, be what ever sex you want, even appear to look like an animal if you want. There are no "sexual taboos." JB |
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It is not the kind of physical grunting sex you are familiar with. Thank God for that! Beings are just energy beings, taking on the forms they decide to project. There are no "little girls" unless you run into a spirit who still clings to her little girl earth image. EXACTLY! It fact, it doesn't even need to be that she was clinging to that image. Perhaps you are! And there's nothing wrong with that. I often have this dream. I meet a spirit in the spirit world and she "becomes" a little girl. Prior to that she didn't have a body. She was pure light. And yes this little girl wants to have sex with me. Not perverted sex. But genuine affection. Does that make me a dirty old man? No not at all. And the reason is simple. I'm in the spirit world too! And I take the form of a young boy. So I'm not a dirty old man. I'm a dirty young boy! There are no "sexual taboos." So true. The idea that sex is evil is a manmade lie. Made up my perverts. Not by any God. Sex is the most beautiful exchange of intimacy that we can imagine. At least it is for those of use who are truly innocent. Perhaps perverts can't think that way because they are too busy with their own perversions. Clearly, perverted people are not going to attain spiritual freedom whilst their perverted. I don't think any philosophy suggests that. Many people don't see the righteousness of Pantheism. They have some sick demented picture of it. They think that 'anything goes'. But that's not the case at all. It's simply "judgment free". But in the same way that gravity is. If you dive into a pool of water, gravity will be nice to you, and allow you plunged into the liquid and even rise back to the surface again. Gravity will be really nice to you in that situation. If you plop down on your hammock for a snooze in the shade, again gravity will be very nice to you and 'cuddle' you in the hammock. However, if you climb to the top of a tall ledge and jump off, that very same gravity will punch you in the nose when you meet up with the ground below. Potentially hard enough to break you or kill you. Were any 'judgments' passed? No, not at all. It's just the LAWS of physics. No judge or jury required. Well, the spiritual laws are similar. It's like a mirror. If you have good intentions, the spiritual world will reflect those good intentions back to you. If you have bad intentions then that's what will be reflected back. No judge or jury necessary. You reap what you sow. You are judged as you judge. You get what you give. Your own intentions are redirected back onto you. It's called "karma". It can be immediate, or it can be delayed. But it's always coming back to give you what you have sown. There's no need for a external judge. The 'judgment process' is on autopilot. You reap what you sow. It's total justice that no one can complain about. That would be like complaining that gravity is unjust. There's no need to nail anyone to a pole to make this system work. It's the ultimate perfect system. Anyone who believes that God is perfect should opt for the most perfect creation don't you think? Why opt for a religion that needs Band-Aids to work? |
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jb
The orgasmic exchange is always an mutual choice and it can be refused. Beings are not concerned with the kind of morality we know in the physical world. It is not the kind of """physical grunting""" sex you are familiar with tribo """physical grunting""" your hilarious jellybean  i was just being sarcastic as usual. JB Beings are just energy beings, taking on the forms they decide to project. There are no "little girls" unless you run into a spirit who still clings to her little girl earth image. The male female distinction only exists in the material worlds where there are physical bodies. That can include the lower astral worlds, and astral bodies, but they can change their appearance and sex when they want. In the spirit realm you can choose to project what you want, be what ever sex you want, even appear to look like an animal if you want. There are no "sexual taboos ahhhhhh - it must be so nice to know as much as you tell me on here- |
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It is not the kind of physical grunting sex you are familiar with. Thank God for that! Beings are just energy beings, taking on the forms they decide to project. There are no "little girls" unless you run into a spirit who still clings to her little girl earth image. EXACTLY! It fact, it doesn't even need to be that she was clinging to that image. Perhaps you are! And there's nothing wrong with that. I often have this dream. I meet a spirit in the spirit world and she "becomes" a little girl. Prior to that she didn't have a body. She was pure light. And yes this little girl wants to have sex with me. Not perverted sex. But genuine affection. Does that make me a dirty old man? No not at all. And the reason is simple. I'm in the spirit world too! And I take the form of a young boy. So I'm not a dirty old man. I'm a dirty young boy! There are no "sexual taboos." So true. The idea that sex is evil is a manmade lie. Made up my perverts. Not by any God. Sex is the most beautiful exchange of intimacy that we can imagine. At least it is for those of use who are truly innocent. Perhaps perverts can't think that way because they are too busy with their own perversions. Clearly, perverted people are not going to attain spiritual freedom whilst their perverted. I don't think any philosophy suggests that. Many people don't see the righteousness of Pantheism. They have some sick demented picture of it. They think that 'anything goes'. But that's not the case at all. It's simply "judgment free". But in the same way that gravity is. If you dive into a pool of water, gravity will be nice to you, and allow you plunged into the liquid and even rise back to the surface again. Gravity will be really nice to you in that situation. If you plop down on your hammock for a snooze in the shade, again gravity will be very nice to you and 'cuddle' you in the hammock. However, if you climb to the top of a tall ledge and jump off, that very same gravity will punch you in the nose when you meet up with the ground below. Potentially hard enough to break you or kill you. Were any 'judgments' passed? No, not at all. It's just the LAWS of physics. No judge or jury required. Well, the spiritual laws are similar. It's like a mirror. If you have good intentions, the spiritual world will reflect those good intentions back to you. If you have bad intentions then that's what will be reflected back. No judge or jury necessary. You reap what you sow. You are judged as you judge. You get what you give. Your own intentions are redirected back onto you. It's called "karma". It can be immediate, or it can be delayed. But it's always coming back to give you what you have sown. There's no need for a external judge. The 'judgment process' is on autopilot. You reap what you sow. It's total justice that no one can complain about. That would be like complaining that gravity is unjust. There's no need to nail anyone to a pole to make this system work. It's the ultimate perfect system. Anyone who believes that God is perfect should opt for the most perfect creation don't you think? Why opt for a religion that needs Band-Aids to work? abra It fact, it doesn't even need to be that she was clinging to that image. Perhaps you are! And there's nothing wrong with that. I often have this dream. I meet a spirit in the spirit world and she "becomes" a little girl. Prior to that she didn't have a body. She was pure light. And yes this little girl wants to have sex with me. Not perverted sex. But genuine affection. Does that make me a dirty old man? No not at all. And the reason is simple. I'm in the spirit world too! And I take the form of a young boy. So I'm not a dirty old man. I'm a dirty young boy! tribo ain't gonna touch it, nope. well i'm glad you and JB see this eye to eye, it will make it easier when your "affectionate" together in the islands - remeber no grunting please!!
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ahhhhhh - it must be so nice to know as much as you tell me on here- Most religions believe that with God all things are possible. They're really just afraid to believe it. Some people might find some of these ideas to be personally distasteful. But that's their own personal choice. If heaven is truly going to be heaven why not BELIEVE IT!!! Otherwise, what would it be? A very regimented day care center where some master being is calling all the shots and telling everyone what they can an cannot imagine? It would be an eternal kindergarten class of children being suppressed from imagining anything that the almighty creator deems to be in appropriate. I'll confess, that I'm not exactly thrilled by some of the things that Jeannie suggests. But at the same time I agree with there that it has to be unlimited. If heaven is limited then it's not heaven at all, it would be intellectual restriction. Imaginations imprisoned for eternity. Theoretically you wouldn't even be allowed to THINK of just anything you might want to think about, because to think it is the same as doing it. Why should that be the case? Well, in the spirit world THINKING of something is PRECISELY how you do it! It's all done via imagination. You create reality via your imagination. You're actually doing that right now. Except you have been restricted in how rapidly you can convert pure thought into physical reality. You have also been restricted in to precisely what thoughts you can manifest. For example, you can't change your human form (or at least I can't). Maybe you can. But when you reach complete spiritual freedom, you can change your form. Gender truly is nothing more than a physical characteristic. If reincarnation is true, there's no reason to believe that you'll experience every reincarnation as the same gender. As humans, we kind of get locked into gender as a big part of "WHO" we are. But is it really a part of WHAT we are ultimately? In heaven will there be male and female. Are you stuck with that same 'gender signature' for all of eternity? I tend to agree with Jeannie. If our true nature really is spiritual, then gender is merely a passing phase just like our physical bodies are. People often talk about seeing what Jesus really looks like when they get to heaven. What do they think? Do they think that Jesus will forever be locked into the body he had when he was a man? Wouldn't that almost be a prison of sorts. My mother died when she was 90 years old all shriveled up in a wheelchair. Is that they way she has to spend all of eternity? Clearly our physical bodies are temporary vessels for the spirit. Our gender is part of that vessel, not part of our spirit. People are so homophobic that they can't even imagine changing gender or having anything at all to do with anything that is outside of their own gender experience of a man-woman sexual relationship. But that truly is just a temporary human condition. There's no need to believe that gender would be meaningful in the spirit world. It's just an experience. If you were a creature that could change gender on the fly you wouldn't give it a second thought because it would seem NATURAL to you. You are what you are. You wouldn't question that. It only seems weird to you because, for you, it seems unnatural. |
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ahhhhhh - it must be so nice to know as much as you tell me on here- Most religions believe that with God all things are possible. They're really just afraid to believe it. Some people might find some of these ideas to be personally distasteful. But that's their own personal choice. If heaven is truly going to be heaven why not BELIEVE IT!!! Otherwise, what would it be? A very regimented day care center where some master being is calling all the shots and telling everyone what they can an cannot imagine? It would be an eternal kindergarten class of children being suppressed from imagining anything that the almighty creator deems to be in appropriate. I'll confess, that I'm not exactly thrilled by some of the things that Jeannie suggests. But at the same time I agree with there that it has to be unlimited. If heaven is limited then it's not heaven at all, it would be intellectual restriction. Imaginations imprisoned for eternity. Theoretically you wouldn't even be allowed to THINK of just anything you might want to think about, because to think it is the same as doing it. Why should that be the case? Well, in the spirit world THINKING of something is PRECISELY how you do it! It's all done via imagination. You create reality via your imagination. You're actually doing that right now. Except you have been restricted in how rapidly you can convert pure thought into physical reality. You have also been restricted in to precisely what thoughts you can manifest. For example, you can't change your human form (or at least I can't). Maybe you can. But when you reach complete spiritual freedom, you can change your form. Gender truly is nothing more than a physical characteristic. If reincarnation is true, there's no reason to believe that you'll experience every reincarnation as the same gender. As humans, we kind of get locked into gender as a big part of "WHO" we are. But is it really a part of WHAT we are ultimately? In heaven will there be male and female. Are you stuck with that same 'gender signature' for all of eternity? I tend to agree with Jeannie. If our true nature really is spiritual, then gender is merely a passing phase just like our physical bodies are. People often talk about seeing what Jesus really looks like when they get to heaven. What do they think? Do they think that Jesus will forever be locked into the body he had when he was a man? Wouldn't that almost be a prison of sorts. My mother died when she was 90 years old all shriveled up in a wheelchair. Is that they way she has to spend all of eternity? Clearly our physical bodies are temporary vessels for the spirit. Our gender is part of that vessel, not part of our spirit. People are so homophobic that they can't even imagine changing gender or having anything at all to do with anything that is outside of their own gender experience of a man-woman sexual relationship. But that truly is just a temporary human condition. There's no need to believe that gender would be meaningful in the spirit world. It's just an experience. If you were a creature that could change gender on the fly you wouldn't give it a second thought because it would seem NATURAL to you. You are what you are. You wouldn't question that. It only seems weird to you because, for you, it seems unnatural. did i not state such in my original reply on this? wow |
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Edited by
tribo
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Mon 07/28/08 07:40 PM
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do you guys remember other post i have made? evidentally not, so go live in your holomatrix world and affection yourself to death with all the others you run into old or young, girl or boy. shake hands with them all, i'm not going to be there so it won't make any differece to me abra.
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do you guys remember other post i have made? evidentally not, so go live in your holomatrix world and affection yourself to death with all the others you run into old or young, girl or boy. shake hands with them all, i'm not going to be there so it won't make any differece to me abra. That's the beauty of it Sam. You don't have to go there. You're heaven is what YOU want it to be. That's the whole point. Your idea of heaven is not my idea of heaven and vice versa. Therefore there can't be just one idea of heaven. Eveyone woudln't agree that it's "Heaven". Therefore it can't be like that. Heaven has to be what YOU LIKE, otherwise it wouldn't be heaven for YOU! 
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JB,
This is the clearest description the Bible has to offer for what life in Heaven will be like. 1 Corinthians 2:9 No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love Him. |
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do you guys remember other post i have made? evidentally not, so go live in your holomatrix world and affection yourself to death with all the others you run into old or young, girl or boy. shake hands with them all, i'm not going to be there so it won't make any differece to me abra. That's the beauty of it Sam. You don't have to go there. You're heaven is what YOU want it to be. That's the whole point. Your idea of heaven is not my idea of heaven and vice versa. Therefore there can't be just one idea of heaven. Eveyone woudln't agree that it's "Heaven". Therefore it can't be like that. Heaven has to be what YOU LIKE, otherwise it wouldn't be heaven for YOU! nice dream majik man, enjoy yours |
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I never understood the thought of that either...If we do indeed die and go to a place where we will be judged..if we have some sense of free will still...if we think using our brains as we know it now...Heaven just sounds like something that can't possibly exists..there will always be war to compete for power.. Religion and God play roles in lots of people's lives tho...for some, it is the only way to get through the day and that is perfectly fine..it creates harmony for that individual...for me, my life is run with question and awe, and to be honest, I love it that way. Can't say it creates harmony for me all the time tho lol I know some people would disagree with what I say, perfectly fine. You can learn a lot from people that think differently. Well actually heaven is going to be GRRRREAT! We will truly be free once the curse is lifted. Whenever I go riding through & beautiful neighborhood on a spring day or go tubing down a lazy river I think, "This is what heaven will be like...only better!!!" "I'm not sure why people think a relationship with God is druggery????? Don't get that at all." "We will never have to "worry about judgement" or all those things." your answer is on your own statment, lol.........nice words QS, it is what really does plague the conscious of mankind, so far down that it seldom comes out until some sort of tragedy...... glad there will be no tragedy for the end......peace girl |
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awesome logic abra............great thread, peace
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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nice dream majik man, enjoy yours They say with God all things are possible. Why not believe it? Just for the record, I'm not chomping at the bit to change gender or become an animal during sex. Even though I actually do the latter now. I'm also extremely monogmous minded. I know that JB likes the idea of having relationships with different spirits all the time. That's something doesn't personally appeal to me. I'm a very private and monogamous person. I personally could be happy living forever as a human male with a single human female partner. (depending on who that partner is of course). I also say that I could be happy living like that 'forever' but I really have no right to say that because I have no comprehension how long 'forever' actually is. The only thing I know for sure is that I could live on a small island on planet Earth with only a single female partner for company and no other humans to interact with, and I could be happy for a human lifetime in that situation. We'd want plants and 'freindly' animals around too just because it's no fun living on a dead planet.  But, for my own personal self. I have no problem with being a single gender being, or being monogamous. I've always been monogamous anyway. I'm naturally monogamous. I have no personal desire to be socially sexual. I was just saying that I could see how that could work for someone who wants it. And if they are sharing those experiences with other spirits who want the same thing then what's the problem? |
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my interpretation of the use of the term ruler as applied to god
is that the concept of one god - monotheism - sets a unique standard it is an attempt to codify the notion of an absolute truth a way of rejecting moral relativism in my opinion in this sense is a single god ruler of everything... as the one standard by which those who follow accept a prescription of morality by which the relative merits of kindness versus cruelty may be measured as being inherently unequal a single standard - unique god ruling this is the beauty and simple essence of monotheism whether it is called heaven or hell or earth is secondary... 
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my interpretation of the use of the term ruler as applied to god is that the concept of one god - monotheism - sets a unique standard it is an attempt to codify the notion of an absolute truth a way of rejecting moral relativism in my opinion in this sense is a single god ruler of everything... as the one standard by which those who follow accept a prescription of morality by which the relative merits of kindness versus cruelty may be measured as being inherently unequal a single standard - unique god ruling this is the beauty and simple essence of monotheism whether it is called heaven or hell or earth is secondary... I don't know why, but when I read this I felt like I was attending a lecture at Harvard University and they were giving an overview of religions in general.
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nice dream majik man, enjoy yours They say with God all things are possible. Why not believe it? Just for the record, I'm not chomping at the bit to change gender or become an animal during sex. Even though I actually do the latter now. I'm also extremely monogmous minded. I know that JB likes the idea of having relationships with different spirits all the time. That's something doesn't personally appeal to me. I'm a very private and monogamous person. I personally could be happy living forever as a human male with a single human female partner. (depending on who that partner is of course). I also say that I could be happy living like that 'forever' but I really have no right to say that because I have no comprehension how long 'forever' actually is. The only thing I know for sure is that I could live on a small island on planet Earth with only a single female partner for company and no other humans to interact with, and I could be happy for a human lifetime in that situation. We'd want plants and 'freindly' animals around too just because it's no fun living on a dead planet. But, for my own personal self. I have no problem with being a single gender being, or being monogamous. I've always been monogamous anyway. I'm naturally monogamous. I have no personal desire to be socially sexual. I was just saying that I could see how that could work for someone who wants it. And if they are sharing those experiences with other spirits who want the same thing then what's the problem? not a problem james, you've already created your own world and scenario and i hope it turns out that way for you and jb also with what she believes. |
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if hell is created for misery, then what human has not already tasted enough...........
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not a problem james, you've already created your own world and scenario and i hope it turns out that way for you and jb also with what she believes. When it comes to 'beliefs' I really don't have that many at all to be truthful about it Sam. I believe that I actually experience what I experience. If that makes any sense to you. As far as trying to figure out our true essence I'm agnostic. I often speak about Pantheism as being 'feasible'. So I guess you could say that I believe that it could be possible. That doesn't mean that I believe that's the way things really are. I just can't see any reasons to deny it. I work opposite from most people. I'm not concerned with trying to believe in something I can't know. I'm more concerned with not believing int things that appear to be either nonsensical, or self-contradictory. In other words, I work a bit like Sherlock Homles. Eliminate what can't be true, and whatever is left must be the truth. We all know that it's impossible to disprove the idea of God in general. However when it comes to doctrines, I think books can be shown to be self-inconsistent, contradictory and therefore unreliable at best. If I'm going to 'believe' anything. And I'm going to 'believe' that I have a creator. I must begin with the belief, that the creator is wiser than me, and more benevolent than me. Otherwise why even bother? If my creator is lesser than me I probably don't even want to know about it until I have no other choice in the matter. When it comes to religions, I haven't found one yet that makes sense. So as far as I'm concerned any guess is just as good as any other. The only thing that I know is that I wouldnt' blame someone for guessing wrong. And if I won't blame them, and I believe that my creator is more benevolent than me, then surely he wouldn't blame them either. So from that I must conclude that if there is a benevolent creator, he couldn't care less what you believe. All he could possible care about is what's in your heart. Thus which religion you extol (or if you are a complete atheist) is totally irrelavent. All that matters is your intent. That is about the only thing that I truly believe. All else is just fun speculation.
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