Let us talk about religion or mythologies in a historical reference without the help of religious scriptures or faith based beliefs, but try to find historical evidence in some fashion. If you have videos, documentaries, or anything to paste or show then please do by all means.

To start things off let us begin with the worship of the "Sun".

Ever since the dawn we know that humans have always looked up in the skies and tried to understand the universe. We looked at the sun and how it was recognized of its importance to life and agriculture, yet could it be possible to believe that the first religions where actually just worshipping the sun and that this tradition then later somehow was misguided or misinterpereted somehow to take human form instead.

For example in Ancient Egyptian times we have Horus or Ra who represented the Sun God as Set would represent Darkness. So when the sun came up Horus would prove a victory over Set and when the night came Set would prove victory over Horus.

Then as people continued to study the skies and its many suns(stars) more stories were invented by creating astronomical charts or connecting dots to represent figures such as our horoscopes we know of today.

Tell me how or what made religion become in such a dramatic importance to even today's society and where do you think it all started in the first place?

With Adam and Eve?

Thinking of the sun and how some stories seem to cooralate Jesus with it, perhaps the answer to your daughters question is that the universe is God. We are all subject to it and we can't change it. So God would not be a he or she, and there for have no will. It is never vengeful or merciful, these are qualities of man. God just is, and is because we are here to observe it. Perhaps to worship God is not the correct way to go about things. Maybe we should just appreciate what it provides for us more.

I think religion is a means to control the masses. Do it or die; that's how it's been pushed in the past. When the truth is there is no answer, but if you find that out you won't listen, follow, and obey the commands of the one preaching. Remember, rulers used to claim diety.

I can see how astrology has turned to theology.

I think for her age at the moment I will simply say I don't know and I really enjoyed the answer she gave back. Don't worry Daddy we will find the answers.

Yes I agree on this also and I even have a video from a friend that would perhaps interest you. I tried to email you but it won't accept a male married and beyond a certain age

Yes curiousity we humans have can create many interesting imaginative stories. If we only connect the dots we will see a great many things!

Imagine the mind of a very simple being. A humanoid, who functions predominantly on instinct but is beginning to question the surrounding world.

Imagine having an understanding that everything upon the ground can be seen, heard, reached, touched. Then realizing that there are things NOT of the ground. They can be seen, but not heard, they can't be reached not even from the tallest tree. But maybe these things are the realm of birds or other animals of the air.

The humanoid begins to relate the heavens with the weather, with direction - and somewhere in that mind comes the understanding that the humanoid is NOT in complete control and is at the mercy of forces that can't be understood.

The humanoid begins to try to appease that which has power over, the weather by paying it heed, and eventually the superstitions become an ingrained genetic predisposition to believe that humans are not in control and must appease that which is.

REALLY OLD STORY! Yes it began that far back.

Do you believe that something can be so deeply ingrained as to become a genetic inheritance? Perhaps the personality is the ultimate threshold that keeps the gene at bay or brings it into reality.

What do you think?

awh......indeed your questions are as wise as the sun itself, and lead to more truth.........

from whence have we come and where do we arrive........

to say what human was responsible for making all these things religious seems to be impossible, but to look into the mind of men and see common threads of logic, might lead to more understanding......

it seems all things are percieved thru a combination of conscious and subconscious, and the understanding of these two things combined tell the whole missing story of mankind.......

if the conscious mind is understood, then indeed, unity and peace would be had........

seems perhaps the missing link to more might be the subconscious mind, and looking into what can be proven by logic, or just deductions sough to be proven rather than disproved..........

indeed most would agree imagination comes from the subconscious mind, and children seem to be more in tune to such things.....

why many find the greatest wisdom in believing what they speak, and not tainting them with current perception, except as only when critical.........

indeed if a child is born less seperated by time from the place all energy or spirit comes from, before it enter the body, then there could possibly be many truths available being currently called as imagination.........

perhaps these are even memories from where all life came from.........

if it were then attempted to proven, one would begin to paint a picture of how each day this would effect life here on earth......

knowledge is the action of thoughts connecting with environment, and making definitive connections or conclusions of logic.....

so then thoughts need to be seen, and from where they come from........try to make a thought, a new one, creating if you will something that one has not seen, tasted, smelled, touched or heard already.........it is impossible

certainally it is then plain to see that as society has increased, so has knowledge, and this phenonemon could not be unless each that came brought with them increased knowledge, or perhaps are sent unknowingly with subconscious data to create and incorporate into society........

this also then show that different thoughts are being heard by each, and that all thoughts are different, and of course the fact that the face and body of each be different, lead to all conclusion this be good solid logic.......

the subconscious is overpowering even the conscious mind, and all self-preservation of the body and mind prove this as well......

unless each that came brought MORE with them as NEW thoughts from the subconscious, then knowledge COULD NEVER increase expedentially as it has, as even the electronic age testifies........

so then the actual WANTS and DESIRES of mankind viewed as a whole, and what they have CREATED, SHOW MOST what the subconscious mind is doing and thinking.........

not the words of so called wisdom that are spoken from the mouth

if these things were true, this would remove any perception that a more evil world is being produced more each day, and rather one where things are actually CLOSER to what they are in another realm, more seen if all the "misunderstandings" were removed and then viewed......

say just remove any violent act committed from the picture, and look at things....hard to do when the conscious mind draws as a magnet to all things percieved as bad.........

**********if the environement thus far as created is looked at, and all percieved "bad" behaviors looked at as innocent behavior trying to simulate origin, and any violence be frustration form not having what was ONCE had, then many things can easily be decoded as to what the afterlife contain and is***********

you asked to not imploy biblical text in this discussion, but just a note that many text also claim that this is happening, but that this cannot be seen with the conscious eye alone......

this could also be a huge hint as to why it was not to judge, from a wisdom persepective, and not from a religious or self-saving perspective, as this might be what allow SIGHT to be opened, lol

all text written, by all teachers whose wisdom has stood the test of time, would even have more meaning IF these theories were true........peace


this was most in response to your other post about the afterlife, and posted in the wrong place, lol......

Hi and always nice to read your posts. To answer your question I believe anything can be possible. I keep a open mind.

It is very possible that we are genetically inheritant. It can be also possible that we were nothing but one cell amoebia that later evolved into a many celled walking humanoid.

To have such ability to ask the whys and don't know is quiet interesting at the least.

There are so many answers to it and it can go on and on and on!

Some base their beliefs in faith, others prefer historical evidence, and many more have their own interpertations of what clinges true.

In the long run we will not know in flesh and body it seems. Perhaps when we perish as a soul!

and maybe the atheists have it all right. There is nothing afterwords when one dies as of those who disagree and live off faith based religions believing what the scriptures tell them and how they feel personally what will happen when one perishes.

and perhaps it isn't meant for us to know and to just enjoy the things given to us as we live now.

The back and forth notions of not knowing is sometimes the best answer one can give!

yes very true David that perhaps if we understood more about our subconcious mind we may find more answers and understand more of how we evolved and attain more knowledge essential to many of the questions we pose. Let us work on this together and see where it will bring us. Thank you for sharing your knowledge as usual.

John

Wow, Davidben - big post and a lot said. I've scanned, briefly, as I don't have much time this morning. Some intersting ideas, I hope to get back to them soon as there can be some good conversation springing from some of your words.

I guess no one really wants to talk about the sun. It must be such a uninteresting topic!

the sun scorch some, and warm some, and freeze some, but indeed all need it just the same for life to grow, and such is the truth when it be spoken........peace

indeed it is a lot, and never any reason to worry about any response unless it is most wanted, as all things are good either way.........smiles