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Faith in people can lead to alot of problems..........
As for faith elsewhere....... I will leave that one be...... |
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Imagination is a tool of your mind........
faith is a tool of your perseverance....... |
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I'm looking at your new profile photo and my imagination is running wild! 
 
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Can Faith be nothing more then a wide range of imaginating? Or is imagination different then faith? I ask for many have faith but cannot explain why they have it yet some use theories from scriptures as concrete evidence, yet could it just be the imagination that we perceive to be true instead. What are your thoughts on imagination and faith? No...I don't think faith has anything to do with imagination. It's only in God's resting place that we RECIEVE ALL that God has for us. .... ...the secret tabernacle of the Most High God... ... abiding in Christ, not just a touch from God but the fullness of God's presence abiding in us.... ...the place where life's fiery darts cannot penetrate.... what God does is a surprize...that's how we know it's Him & NOT OF US. Hope this helps... |
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Edited by
voileazur
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Mon 07/14/08 05:30 PM
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Can Faith be nothing more then a wide range of imaginating? Or is imagination different then faith? I ask for many have faith but cannot explain why they have it yet some use theories from scriptures as concrete evidence, yet could it just be the imagination that we perceive to be true instead. What are your thoughts on imagination and faith? Those whom say have faith and laugh at the silly thought of having to explain or justify it, IMO truly have the experience of having faith, ... in life, in humanity, in people around them, in their own abilities, and in the ultimate bright side of the human experience, ... without ever having to provide evidence or proof for their faith. Those, on the other hand, whom feel the obesessive need to PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THEIR FAITH, ... by falsely imposing belief based doctrines or teachings, as PROOF that their faith is substantiated, ... are unfortunate dogmatic and religious charlatans, WHOM HAVE LOST ALL TOUCH WITH TRUE FAITH. They contribute, more often than not unconcsiously, to distort and denaturalize the very essence of faith. Having to substantiate or prove one's faith is the ultimate OXYMORONIC DEAD-END!!! In order for faith to be faith, quite to the opposite of those whom falsely associate it with PROVING religious dogma, one invariably needs to HOLD A BELIEF WHICH CANNOT BE SUBSTANTIATED BY PROOF, AND WHICH, BY EXTENTION, CANNOT BE CERTIFIED BY REASON. FAITH: Confidence or trust in a person or thing; loyalty; fidelity; belief not substantiated by proof; SPIRITUAL ACCEPTANCE of thruth and realities NOT CERTIFIED BY REASON; belief in god; BELIEF (UNSUBSTANTIATED BY PROOF) in the teachings or doctrines of a religion. So given the essence of true faith, confidence, trust, loyalty not substantiated by proof, ... I'll suggest that there can be no imagining without true faith (not the distorted religious kind, just straight faith). Straight faith being the founding and latent precondition for the creative and WILLING release of any form of imagining anything into 'HUMAN' existence, our essential purpose IMO. My observation of the distorted and false form of religiously highjacked FAITH, by some, not all, is that it kills all forms of imagining anything into existence as a possibility for humans. False faith unimaginatively insists on proving what isn't possible for human biengs. |
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Can Faith be nothing more then a wide range of imaginating? Or is imagination different then faith? I ask for many have faith but cannot explain why they have it yet some use theories from scriptures as concrete evidence, yet could it just be the imagination that we perceive to be true instead. What are your thoughts on imagination and faith? Those whom say have faith and laugh at the silly thought of having to explain or justify it, IMO truly have the experience of having faith, ... in life, in humanity, in people around them, in their own abilities, and in the ultimate bright side of the human experience, ... without ever having to provide evidence or proof for their faith. Those, on the other hand, whom feel the obesessive need to PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THEIR FAITH, ... by falsely imposing belief based doctrines or teachings, as PROOF that their faith is substantiated, ... are unfortunate dogamtic and religious charlatans, WHOM HAVE LOST ALL TOUCH WITH TRUE FAITH. FAITH: Confidence or trust in a person or thing; loyalty; fidelity; belief not substantiated by proof; SPIRITUAL ACCEPTANCE of thruth and realities NOT CERTIFIED BY REASON; belief in god; BELIEF (UNSUBSTANTIATED BY PROOF) in the teachings or doctrines of a religion. So given the essence of true faith, confidence, trust, loyalty not substantiated by proof, ... I'll suggest that there can be no imagining without true faith (not the distorted religious kind, just straight faith). False faith unimaginatively insists on proving what isn't possible for human biengs. Well actually God's word says that "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Me thinks that this is a religion board & therefore we can SHARE our experiences. At times the discussion can go off into an arguement but that's not being obssessive. Unless of course you mean some who are obssessive about those who do share their faith in God. |
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Edited by
voileazur
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Mon 07/14/08 07:18 PM
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Can Faith be nothing more then a wide range of imaginating? Or is imagination different then faith? I ask for many have faith but cannot explain why they have it yet some use theories from scriptures as concrete evidence, yet could it just be the imagination that we perceive to be true instead. What are your thoughts on imagination and faith? Those whom say have faith and laugh at the silly thought of having to explain or justify it, IMO truly have the experience of having faith, ... in life, in humanity, in people around them, in their own abilities, and in the ultimate bright side of the human experience, ... without ever having to provide evidence or proof for their faith. Those, on the other hand, whom feel the obesessive need to PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THEIR FAITH, ... by falsely imposing belief based doctrines or teachings, as PROOF that their faith is substantiated, ... are unfortunate dogamtic and religious charlatans, WHOM HAVE LOST ALL TOUCH WITH TRUE FAITH. FAITH: Confidence or trust in a person or thing; loyalty; fidelity; belief not substantiated by proof; SPIRITUAL ACCEPTANCE of thruth and realities NOT CERTIFIED BY REASON; belief in god; BELIEF (UNSUBSTANTIATED BY PROOF) in the teachings or doctrines of a religion. So given the essence of true faith, confidence, trust, loyalty not substantiated by proof, ... I'll suggest that there can be no imagining without true faith (not the distorted religious kind, just straight faith). False faith unimaginatively insists on proving what isn't possible for human biengs. Well actually God's word says that "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Me thinks that this is a religion board & therefore we can SHARE our experiences. At times the discussion can go off into an arguement but that's not being obssessive. Unless of course you mean some who are obssessive about those who do share their faith in God. Quickstepper, What gave you the impression my post had anything to say against people sharing their religious experience, or their personnal faith in god, whether as a discussion or at times as an argument, on this religious chat forum?!?!? If that is what you do on these threads, that is exactly what there is to do, and I for one certainly support and encourage that to the fullest. Maybe you missed the part about 'some, not all, whom have an '... obesessive need to PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THEIR FAITH...' which, by definition, robs faith of its essence. If, and I trust that is the case, you don't go around insisting that everyone agrees and believes that your faith is substantiated, and based on facts, then the point of my post is not referring to you in the least. Given that, you and I will agree I'm sure, that the last sentence of your post above was simply the result of a misunderstanding on your part, and we will leave at that. It will allow us to go on with our business of sharing and discussing, and sometimes arguing on religious matters on this religious chat forum. Regards. |
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Edited by
Britty
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Tue 07/15/08 06:38 PM
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Quickstepper, What gave you the impression my post had anything to say against people sharing their religious experience, or their personnal faith in god, whether as a discussion or at times as an argument, on this religious chat forum?!?!? If that is what you do on these threads, that is exactly what there is to do, and I for one certainly support and encourage that to the fullest. Regards. ah, a breath of fresh air. Good to see you back Voile,. 
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Quickstepper, What gave you the impression my post had anything to say against people sharing their religious experience, or their personnal faith in god, whether as a discussion or at times as an argument, on this religious chat forum?!?!? If that is what you do on these threads, that is exactly what there is to do, and I for one certainly support and encourage that to the fullest. Regards. ah, a breath of fresh air. Good to see you back Voile,.
Hello Britty!!! Glad to hear from you!!! :) |
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I'm assuming you mean Faith in God, Smiless. According to scripture, Faith Comes By Hearing and Hearing by the Word of God. Notice, it did not just say, Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Faith Comes By Hearing And Hearing By the Word of God. Meaning, how can one Hear, unless the Word is Being Preached. How do you get the meaning the the word needs to be preached. God does not speak through another. Faith comes by hearing indeed... Hearing yes by the word of god... but the word of god comes to you as you walk in faith... Not through the mouthings of some other Nor does it come from the ink of a printing press. God has no need of these things as the holy spirit can open any ear. Amen and Amen |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 07/20/08 10:18 PM
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I'm assuming you mean Faith in God, Smiless. According to scripture, Faith Comes By Hearing and Hearing by the Word of God. Notice, it did not just say, Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Faith Comes By Hearing And Hearing By the Word of God. Meaning, how can one Hear, unless the Word is Being Preached. How do you get the meaning the the word needs to be preached. God does not speak through another. Faith comes by hearing indeed... Hearing yes by the word of god... but the word of god comes to you as you walk in faith... Not through the mouthings of some other Nor does it come from the ink of a printing press. God has no need of these things as the holy spirit can open any ear. Amen and Amen One can hear by The Holy Spirit speaking to him, without having to use a man to speak thru...true......but more often than not, the Word is heard thru an annointed preacher , preaching thr Word of God under the unction of the Holy Spirit speaking thru him. Man never does the preaching ..it is the Holy Spirit iN THE MAN that does the preaching and teaching odf the Word..NEVER man himself. IF a man were to preach without the holy spirit speaking thru him, his words would be DEAD words only. Hope this clarifies. Only had a moment to post....have to run..be Blessed Everyone...Love you all. So does God. 
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