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Topic: Reflections on the definition of Existence
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Mon 07/14/08 11:37 AM

These are many many questions I have no answers to. I am sure there are many who do have answers to them, but again I personally believe they are individual opinions only.

Perhaps the various answers to all of these questions you pose and have answers to them are all correct and at the same time different answers from others are also correct at the same time. The ability to have different options for each question is something that is allowed in our minds throughout the world. Who is to say they are incorrect? We don't know how everything started even if we truly believe we do. There are so many possible ways.


Smiles,

As I read your words above, someone (one of my personalities) inside of me said this:

"It is not important nor does it matter who is believed to be correct or incorrect. It doesn't matter!"

The question was posed to me, "Why are people so consumed with whose thoughts or ideas are correct or incorrect? That is such a silly waste of time to argue and a silly thing to worry about.

"It does not matter. It really does not matter."

Now this is me speaking: I don't know why it does not matter. I simply trust this voice. I believe it does not matter.

What matters, I think, is that we do think and that we do imagine and create and that we do have opinions. That is the miracle after all. That we exist to do these things and that we are thinking centers.

JB


Okay now I understand. Thank you for your insight. :smile:

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Mon 07/14/08 11:38 AM


I exist because I feel.

Jeannie


You exist because you feel what? Feeling's?

and just what are feeling's?

I feel therefore i am?

Hmmmm??



I feel joy. flowerforyou

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Mon 07/14/08 12:12 PM



I exist because I feel.

Jeannie


You exist because you feel what? Feeling's?

and just what are feeling's?

I feel therefore i am?

Hmmmm??



I feel joy. flowerforyou



If that is all you feel then - :banana: drinker

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Mon 07/14/08 12:13 PM
We feel what we feel what we feel and what we like to feel.laugh laugh

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Mon 07/14/08 12:18 PM

We feel what we feel what we feel and what we like to feel.laugh laugh



I could say something here - but i'm not gonna go therelaugh :tongue:

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Mon 07/14/08 01:10 PM
OK Creative,

Your post was so long I have to answer it BEFORE i read what others have written or I'll loose my train of thought.

Quote: Rene Descartes, a philosopher of the enlightened age in Europe some 500 years ago... while I respect the intellectual capacity of this man, I must disprove this theory as incorrect! For, a blade of Grass, a single blade is incapable of thought! It merely carries out its task, growing, obtaining carbon dioxide, releasing oxygen, burrowing into the soil to feed on nutrients, and eventually withering and dying.

At any point, does it stop to reflect?

Does it consider the delight of the warmth of the sun, the coolness of water?

Does it perceive that it EXISTS as a being, as a solid object, a tangible plane, that is born, grows, and dies?

The answer, of course, is no or is it yes for you? If so explain.


There are a lot of problems with the Philosophy of Descartes, however, at the time he brought us back to a more realistic and logical world. Today there are many who have dispelled what was once thought to be the greatest philisophical understanding of all. It wasn't.

Anyway - you put words together and use them as if they were interchangable. And then you ask questions without first reviewing how you have used the words.

Existence, life, birth, perception.

What is existence; physical, conceptual, visible, biological?

What is life; must it encompass or embrace the properties of the "existence"?

What is birth; the division of a cell or cells as in a worm or an ameba? Or is it the hatching of an egg or the germination of a seed? Or simply the regeneration of something extended from the original?

What is perception; does it require a brain, does it require thought, does it require anything physical? For example can an invisible undetectable god with no clear brain identity in which to have thought processes, PERCEIVE?
If so could it perceive itself?

Before you ask questions using these words, there must first be a clear understanding of how you are using these words, what they mean to your reasoning.

Want to try again?

As far as what I ask myself - from the time I was little I asked "What do I want?"

I ask it still and from the answer determine the value of my desire, the cost and the consequences and then I ask, "Do I want that?"

And then I determine the best course of action.

Who I am, is not yet determined, I'm still in process. :wink:

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Mon 07/14/08 01:12 PM




I exist because I feel.

Jeannie


You exist because you feel what? Feeling's?

and just what are feeling's?

I feel therefore i am?

Hmmmm??



I feel joy. flowerforyou



If that is all you feel then - :banana: drinker


I experience emotions.

There are many emotions involved with being human, but emotions are not what I consider to be 'feelings.' I can experience emotions of happiness, sadness, anger, pain, anguish, worry, fear, infatuation, excitement, etc. but there is always, at all times, at the core of my being a feeling of great joy that is equivalent to a love for existence and being alive.

JB


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Mon 07/14/08 01:22 PM





I exist because I feel.

Jeannie


You exist because you feel what? Feeling's?

and just what are feeling's?

I feel therefore i am?

Hmmmm??



I feel joy. flowerforyou



If that is all you feel then - :banana: drinker


I experience emotions.

There are many emotions involved with being human, but emotions are not what I consider to be 'feelings.' I can experience emotions of happiness, sadness, anger, pain, anguish, worry, fear, infatuation, excitement, etc. but there is always, at all times, at the core of my being a feeling of great joy that is equivalent to a love for existence and being alive.

JB




never took it as you meaning emotions, or i would have posted such as you now have, i understand the diff. that's why i resonded such - flowerforyou flowerforyou

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Mon 07/14/08 01:26 PM
Edited by smiless on Mon 07/14/08 01:53 PM

OK Creative,

Your post was so long I have to answer it BEFORE i read what others have written or I'll loose my train of thought.

Quote: Rene Descartes, a philosopher of the enlightened age in Europe some 500 years ago... while I respect the intellectual capacity of this man, I must disprove this theory as incorrect! For, a blade of Grass, a single blade is incapable of thought! It merely carries out its task, growing, obtaining carbon dioxide, releasing oxygen, burrowing into the soil to feed on nutrients, and eventually withering and dying.

At any point, does it stop to reflect?

Does it consider the delight of the warmth of the sun, the coolness of water?

Does it perceive that it EXISTS as a being, as a solid object, a tangible plane, that is born, grows, and dies?

The answer, of course, is no or is it yes for you? If so explain.


There are a lot of problems with the Philosophy of Descartes, however, at the time he brought us back to a more realistic and logical world. Today there are many who have dispelled what was once thought to be the greatest philisophical understanding of all. It wasn't.

Anyway - you put words together and use them as if they were interchangable. And then you ask questions without first reviewing how you have used the words.

Existence, life, birth, perception.

What is existence; physical, conceptual, visible, biological?

What is life; must it encompass or embrace the properties of the "existence"?

What is birth; the division of a cell or cells as in a worm or an ameba? Or is it the hatching of an egg or the germination of a seed? Or simply the regeneration of something extended from the original?

What is perception; does it require a brain, does it require thought, does it require anything physical? For example can an invisible undetectable god with no clear brain identity in which to have thought processes, PERCEIVE?
If so could it perceive itself?

Before you ask questions using these words, there must first be a clear understanding of how you are using these words, what they mean to your reasoning.

Want to try again?

As far as what I ask myself - from the time I was little I asked "What do I want?"

I ask it still and from the answer determine the value of my desire, the cost and the consequences and then I ask, "Do I want that?"

And then I determine the best course of action.

Who I am, is not yet determined, I'm still in process. :wink:



You ask: Want to try again?


my answer "no"! laugh laugh


Have a great day and thank you for your wisdom.:smile:

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Mon 07/14/08 01:45 PM
never took it as you meaning emotions, or i would have posted such as you now have, i understand the diff. that's why i resonded such


I misread your post. I thought you had asked me if that was all I felt. I guess I am tired today. Time for a nap. asleep

I am glad you understand the difference.:thumbsup: waving flowerforyou :banana:

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Mon 07/14/08 01:53 PM

never took it as you meaning emotions, or i would have posted such as you now have, i understand the diff. that's why i resonded such


I misread your post. I thought you had asked me if that was all I felt. I guess I am tired today. Time for a nap. asleep

I am glad you understand the difference.:thumbsup: waving flowerforyou :banana:



sweet naps goddess - asleep

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Mon 07/14/08 05:57 PM

These are many many questions I have no answers to. I am sure there are many who do have answers to them, but again I personally believe they are individual opinions only.

Perhaps the various answers to all of these questions you pose and have answers to them are all correct and at the same time different answers from others are also correct at the same time. The ability to have different options for each question is something that is allowed in our minds throughout the world. Who is to say they are incorrect? We don't know how everything started even if we truly believe we do. There are so many possible ways.


Smiles,

As I read your words above, someone (one of my personalities) inside of me said this:

"It is not important nor does it matter who is believed to be correct or incorrect. It doesn't matter!"

The question was posed to me, "Why are people so consumed with whose thoughts or ideas are correct or incorrect? That is such a silly waste of time to argue and a silly thing to worry about.

"It does not matter. It really does not matter."

Now this is me speaking: I don't know why it does not matter. I simply trust this voice. I believe it does not matter.

What matters, I think, is that we do think and that we do imagine and create and that we do have opinions. That is the miracle after all. That we exist to do these things and that we are thinking centers.

JB



amen

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Mon 07/14/08 05:57 PM

I have the capacity to think and feel therefore I am.

So if a person is brain dead and still breathing they do not exist? But they affect their environment still. They affect other humans still. So to them they do not exist anymore but to others they still do. Just pondering herebigsmile


because someone may seem brain dead to others doesn't necessarily mean that what constitutes as being the existence of thought doesn't still exist within them..since they are in this brain dead state only means they may not be able to communicate beyond their mind to others just within the realm of their minds and within this realm they know that they exist

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