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of the same old thing? A constant and repetative bickering from one table to another of who can say the loudest that they are correct. After some time, don't your voices ever get hoarse? And at that point...is when people can actually listen because the din has died down.
CHRISTIANITY! PAGANISM! SIRITUALISM! CHRISTIANITY! HINDU! MUSLIM! on and on, over and over again...the same tiring arguments with both points stating their facts, shooting down the facts of others, pointing fingers, calling names, shouting "FOUL!" while at the same time having flags thrown down on the field against them. If history has taught us anything, it's that we will always have differences in opinion, religion, thoughts, actions, justifications etc etc. The list goes on and on. As, clearly, no common ground will ever be reached...why continue the fight? It seems futile and redundant. As we've now proven that, in the most general of terms, no common ground of truce can ever be reached...has it now become a sense of pride, maintaining the last word and self validation and less about religion itself? People (on a broad, loose and purely general sense) are quick to find offence in a lot of posts, even posts where no offence was ever intended; and pull out rule books combined with heated and bitter words intended to sting while masked with phrases like, "The truth hurts" or "I'm only defending myself and my beliefs" etc etc. Truely, if a specific religious group/follower was honestly out to cause emotional harm to oneself and one's religious holdings...why not target more specific posts? Such as "Prayer Warriors Unite" posts? Or "Wiccan Coven Chat" etc etc. Certainly, if one was truely wanting to cause offence, those would by far be a better target for hate mongering than posts blatently fish-and-baiting for arguements and offence. In my opinion: The basic and general discussions for religion are no longer truely about religion in any sense or fashion. They have become a battle ground much like the civil war. (The civil war supposedly purely about slavery...but in reality...slavery was only one of many reasons and became the "scapgoat" of the civil war.) "Religion" has become the "scapgoat" so that fear, hatred and anger can find a new breeding ground from all sides. Were these threads truely about religion...no one would find room to be offended or take it upon themselves to allow themself to be affronted. It would be the calm, considerate, respectful exchange of ideas and personal beliefs with the intent of sharing those ideals and providing mutual enlightenment, even if the belief of the one is not adopted by the other. I came to this thread in the hopes of finding common curtesy, respect and enlightenment of all religions. Instead, I found a battle ground. (Naturally...not everyone is like that...but let's face it...the religious threads are anything but generally friendly and pleasant) I bid you all adieu on the religious threads, though I'll probably pop in and out from time to time...but honestly, there is just too much hatred here for me and it breaks my heart. Hugs and kisses to you all and I'll see you about on the other threads  
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They irony 2 it is, there just a different path 2 the same place
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Can't we all just get along?
I feel ya on this. Same religions can bicker amongst each other on how to conduct a service. Blah! See it too much!
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it is unfortunate that this topic incites so much conflict. We are meant to be loved.
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precisely....I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks along the same lines.
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I came to this thread in the hopes of finding common curtesy, respect and enlightenment of all religions. Instead, I found a battle ground. (Naturally...not everyone is like that...but let's face it...the religious threads are anything but generally friendly and pleasant) You've got to be kidding. Haven't you heard that politics and religion are some of the most controversial topics you can discuss with anyone? People have been literally killing each other for centuries over religion, and you say you expect common courtesy, respect and enlightenment? What rock have you been living under?  People are passionate about their religions and about their beliefs and everyone thinks they are right. So you expect them to play nice nice? Not gonna happen unfortunately. JB |
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Sat 07/05/08 04:03 AM
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of the same old thing? A constant and repetative bickering from one table to another of who can say the loudest that they are correct. After some time, don't your voices ever get hoarse? And at that point...is when people can actually listen because the din has died down. CHRISTIANITY! PAGANISM! SIRITUALISM! CHRISTIANITY! HINDU! MUSLIM! on and on, over and over again...the same tiring arguments with both points stating their facts, shooting down the facts of others, pointing fingers, calling names, shouting "FOUL!" while at the same time having flags thrown down on the field against them. If history has taught us anything, it's that we will always have differences in opinion, religion, thoughts, actions, justifications etc etc. The list goes on and on. As, clearly, no common ground will ever be reached...why continue the fight? It seems futile and redundant. As we've now proven that, in the most general of terms, no common ground of truce can ever be reached...has it now become a sense of pride, maintaining the last word and self validation and less about religion itself? People (on a broad, loose and purely general sense) are quick to find offence in a lot of posts, even posts where no offence was ever intended; and pull out rule books combined with heated and bitter words intended to sting while masked with phrases like, "The truth hurts" or "I'm only defending myself and my beliefs" etc etc. Truely, if a specific religious group/follower was honestly out to cause emotional harm to oneself and one's religious holdings...why not target more specific posts? Such as "Prayer Warriors Unite" posts? Or "Wiccan Coven Chat" etc etc. Certainly, if one was truely wanting to cause offence, those would by far be a better target for hate mongering than posts blatently fish-and-baiting for arguements and offence. In my opinion: The basic and general discussions for religion are no longer truely about religion in any sense or fashion. They have become a battle ground much like the civil war. (The civil war supposedly purely about slavery...but in reality...slavery was only one of many reasons and became the "scapgoat" of the civil war.) "Religion" has become the "scapgoat" so that fear, hatred and anger can find a new breeding ground from all sides. Were these threads truely about religion...no one would find room to be offended or take it upon themselves to allow themself to be affronted. It would be the calm, considerate, respectful exchange of ideas and personal beliefs with the intent of sharing those ideals and providing mutual enlightenment, even if the belief of the one is not adopted by the other. I came to this thread in the hopes of finding common curtesy, respect and enlightenment of all religions. Instead, I found a battle ground. (Naturally...not everyone is like that...but let's face it...the religious threads are anything but generally friendly and pleasant) I bid you all adieu on the religious threads, though I'll probably pop in and out from time to time...but honestly, there is just too much hatred here for me and it breaks my heart. Hugs and kisses to you all and I'll see you about on the other threads I hear you...at one time people did discuss things with maturity until political correctness came along & tried to stomp down any opposition to their POV. That's what happened. We Christians are sharing our faith but some come with the intent to want to start fights. It is annoying & distracting to what is being shared. For your own welfare, maybe it's not people you should be getting your info from. If you know what I mean.  God bless...
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of the same old thing? A constant and repetative bickering from one table to another of who can say the loudest that they are correct. After some time, don't your voices ever get hoarse? And at that point...is when people can actually listen because the din has died down. CHRISTIANITY! PAGANISM! SIRITUALISM! CHRISTIANITY! HINDU! MUSLIM! on and on, over and over again...the same tiring arguments with both points stating their facts, shooting down the facts of others, pointing fingers, calling names, shouting "FOUL!" while at the same time having flags thrown down on the field against them. If history has taught us anything, it's that we will always have differences in opinion, religion, thoughts, actions, justifications etc etc. The list goes on and on. As, clearly, no common ground will ever be reached...why continue the fight? It seems futile and redundant. As we've now proven that, in the most general of terms, no common ground of truce can ever be reached...has it now become a sense of pride, maintaining the last word and self validation and less about religion itself? People (on a broad, loose and purely general sense) are quick to find offence in a lot of posts, even posts where no offence was ever intended; and pull out rule books combined with heated and bitter words intended to sting while masked with phrases like, "The truth hurts" or "I'm only defending myself and my beliefs" etc etc. Truely, if a specific religious group/follower was honestly out to cause emotional harm to oneself and one's religious holdings...why not target more specific posts? Such as "Prayer Warriors Unite" posts? Or "Wiccan Coven Chat" etc etc. Certainly, if one was truely wanting to cause offence, those would by far be a better target for hate mongering than posts blatently fish-and-baiting for arguements and offence. In my opinion: The basic and general discussions for religion are no longer truely about religion in any sense or fashion. They have become a battle ground much like the civil war. (The civil war supposedly purely about slavery...but in reality...slavery was only one of many reasons and became the "scapgoat" of the civil war.) "Religion" has become the "scapgoat" so that fear, hatred and anger can find a new breeding ground from all sides. Were these threads truely about religion...no one would find room to be offended or take it upon themselves to allow themself to be affronted. It would be the calm, considerate, respectful exchange of ideas and personal beliefs with the intent of sharing those ideals and providing mutual enlightenment, even if the belief of the one is not adopted by the other. I came to this thread in the hopes of finding common curtesy, respect and enlightenment of all religions. Instead, I found a battle ground. (Naturally...not everyone is like that...but let's face it...the religious threads are anything but generally friendly and pleasant) I bid you all adieu on the religious threads, though I'll probably pop in and out from time to time...but honestly, there is just too much hatred here for me and it breaks my heart. Hugs and kisses to you all and I'll see you about on the other threads seems you came to find and so seen not what you seek, as each word you have spoken indeed does the same as what you accuse all others of........perhaps then religion be not any "one" thing, but looking and saying ANYTHING be bad....... if one looks for love, the universe give back hate, and if any look for courtesy, they are given back the distain, and if any look for no argument, they be given back argument, as what they seek show what be the greatest truth they seek, and why this truth has no power......... this is true in all things, as it is what one seek that hide all else that happen........ ALL WORDS ARE GOOD AND BENEFICIAL AND TO SEEK A PARTICULAR KIND LEAD ONE TO ONLY DARK PLACES ONCE FLATTERY OR COMPASSION HAS LOST IT'S POWER.......INDEED IT SEEMS THE TRUTH DOES HURT, AND IF NAY DOES NOT KNOW THIS THAN WHAT TRUTH HAVE THEY HEEDED THEMSELF............. ALL SECT ARE WELCOME HERE, AND ALL PEOPLES, AND ALL CREEDS, AND ALL RACES, AND THEREFORE ALL BELIEFS MUST ALSO BE IF THIS BE TRUE........PEACE |
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Edited by
sam53
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Sat 07/05/08 04:56 AM
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It is a reality that both religion and politics play a very strong role in people's life if they want them or not . Even when you do not wish to be involved in them , they will somehow touch your life directly or indirectly . Therefore they are a necessity to be discussed and to bring reality to light . Of course fanatics and propagandists feel threatened by any truth that may come from any intelligent discussion .
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It is a reality that both religion and politics play a very strong role in people's life if they want them or not . Even when you do not wish to be involved in them , they will somehow touch your life directly or indirectly . Therefore they are a necessity to be discussed and to bring reality to light . Of course fanatics and propagandists feel threatened by any truth that may come from any intelligent discussion . indeed all you say is true...... except who be a fanatic that need not to also discuss, as if one hears GREATER, will they not any longer be a fanatic, as they have been ABLE to speak and discourse to HEAR more form wherever it may come, and of course the same would apply with "propagandists"....... it be not propaganda that has ANY power, but rather the RESTRICTION of speech that give propoganda ANY power to remain hidden......... seems all speech and all peoples have to be welcomed for there ever to be peace amoung any civilized and peaceful people..... can a label of any sort be put on another and this not cause devisiveness........ to speak ones opinions of what they see is always relevant, as the truth will always have the wisdom to achieve good things, and never be decieved, so what words can threaten anyone if there is confidence in what one knows to be their truth....... if there is doubt, than there be a good reason, and this doubt could NEVER find it's way back home if all words are not spoken to remove.......... |
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of the same old thing? A constant and repetative bickering from one table to another of who can say the loudest that they are correct. After some time, don't your voices ever get hoarse? And at that point...is when people can actually listen because the din has died down. CHRISTIANITY! PAGANISM! SIRITUALISM! CHRISTIANITY! HINDU! MUSLIM! on and on, over and over again...the same tiring arguments with both points stating their facts, shooting down the facts of others, pointing fingers, calling names, shouting "FOUL!" while at the same time having flags thrown down on the field against them. If history has taught us anything, it's that we will always have differences in opinion, religion, thoughts, actions, justifications etc etc. The list goes on and on. As, clearly, no common ground will ever be reached...why continue the fight? It seems futile and redundant. As we've now proven that, in the most general of terms, no common ground of truce can ever be reached...has it now become a sense of pride, maintaining the last word and self validation and less about religion itself? it's not about self validation it's called checks and balances ..no war was ever fight over truth but only for beliefs ..the bickering is used to keep everything into prespective and once the bickering stops one delusional belief can overtake and destroyed the world .. an example of this is war world 2 ..hilter had a belief and all those that didn't fit into it or believe in it would be killed tortured turned into slaves or burned in the firey ovens ...so what makes hilter plan any worst than the plans some religions have to deal with non-believers ...and that is the nature of debate to constantly bring issues into light so perhaps people can see that their beliefs are only that... beliefs |
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of the same old thing? A constant and repetative bickering from one table to another of who can say the loudest that they are correct. After some time, don't your voices ever get hoarse? And at that point...is when people can actually listen because the din has died down. CHRISTIANITY! PAGANISM! SIRITUALISM! CHRISTIANITY! HINDU! MUSLIM! on and on, over and over again...the same tiring arguments with both points stating their facts, shooting down the facts of others, pointing fingers, calling names, shouting "FOUL!" while at the same time having flags thrown down on the field against them. If history has taught us anything, it's that we will always have differences in opinion, religion, thoughts, actions, justifications etc etc. The list goes on and on. As, clearly, no common ground will ever be reached...why continue the fight? It seems futile and redundant. As we've now proven that, in the most general of terms, no common ground of truce can ever be reached...has it now become a sense of pride, maintaining the last word and self validation and less about religion itself? People (on a broad, loose and purely general sense) are quick to find offence in a lot of posts, even posts where no offence was ever intended; and pull out rule books combined with heated and bitter words intended to sting while masked with phrases like, "The truth hurts" or "I'm only defending myself and my beliefs" etc etc. Truely, if a specific religious group/follower was honestly out to cause emotional harm to oneself and one's religious holdings...why not target more specific posts? Such as "Prayer Warriors Unite" posts? Or "Wiccan Coven Chat" etc etc. Certainly, if one was truely wanting to cause offence, those would by far be a better target for hate mongering than posts blatently fish-and-baiting for arguements and offence. In my opinion: The basic and general discussions for religion are no longer truely about religion in any sense or fashion. They have become a battle ground much like the civil war. (The civil war supposedly purely about slavery...but in reality...slavery was only one of many reasons and became the "scapgoat" of the civil war.) "Religion" has become the "scapgoat" so that fear, hatred and anger can find a new breeding ground from all sides. Were these threads truely about religion...no one would find room to be offended or take it upon themselves to allow themself to be affronted. It would be the calm, considerate, respectful exchange of ideas and personal beliefs with the intent of sharing those ideals and providing mutual enlightenment, even if the belief of the one is not adopted by the other. I came to this thread in the hopes of finding common curtesy, respect and enlightenment of all religions. Instead, I found a battle ground. (Naturally...not everyone is like that...but let's face it...the religious threads are anything but generally friendly and pleasant) I bid you all adieu on the religious threads, though I'll probably pop in and out from time to time...but honestly, there is just too much hatred here for me and it breaks my heart. Hugs and kisses to you all and I'll see you about on the other threads I hear you...at one time people did discuss things with maturity until political correctness came along & tried to stomp down any opposition to their POV. That's what happened. We Christians are sharing our faith but some come with the intent to want to start fights. It is annoying & distracting to what is being shared. For your own welfare, maybe it's not people you should be getting your info from. If you know what I mean. God bless... Quickstepper, In all seriousness, people are the only source of information. People are the ones who write books, do research, write history, do studies, take polls etc. Where else are you going to get information. Don't say "the Bible" either because that is just a book written by ... you guessed it PEOPLE. In the past things were never discussed with "maturity" any more than they are now. Now, you just see more opposition to your personal view because there is more opposition and people are not so afraid to speak their mind. If everyone would just agree with each other, then we could all play nice nice and never argue or discuss anything. But you know that will never happen, so people should stop complaining. JB |
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JB.....you speak great wisdom i admire and respect and agree with in many cases......
seems though if one speak and say they agree when in the heart they do not, then what has been purposed that lead to real solutions or truth.....so perhaps agreement for the sake of no conflict really serve a self-defeating purpose, and only serve for GREATER conflict later......... the truth of words is hard, but then this be not as hard as the error from not seeing the truth as funches speaks with wisdom...... seems the truth if it ever be made known, has GREAT POWER, even more each time it be spoken, so all words spoken will always bring out what lie hidden in the hearts of humankind.......THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE, JUST AS LENNON ONCE SANG....... if even two truely agree and it is not spoken, then all power available is not yet wielded, so as to create even more power, so if any belief have POWER BY HEARING, than certainally this will be brought forth by simle cause and effect of the truth having the greatest of everything............ if one feel offense, why should it be held back, as it will come that if the heart hear "truth" it will soon come to never be able to be denied....... sure, all would at first prefer kind words, but indeed when time has brought forth wisdom, then maturity as you speak can handle any words, as it hath "greater wisdom".......peace |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 07/05/08 01:49 PM
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Davidben1: Of course I was being SARCASTIC when I suggested that everybody "agree with each other and play nice nice." That is IMPOSSIBLE.
I was addressing the O.P. who seems to be complaining and whining about people arguing about religion, so she "bids everyone adieu" on the religious threads because they "break her heart." Oh geeee I'm so sorry....  I bid you all adieu on the religious threads, though I'll probably pop in and out from time to time...but honestly, there is just too much hatred here for me and it breaks my heart. What she wants is for everyone to "enlighten" each other with niceness...Well, I don't think that's possible. Perhaps she could enlighten us as to how that could be accomplished. JB |
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Davidben1: Of course I was being SARCASTIC when I suggested that everybody "agree with each other and play nice nice." That is IMPOSSIBLE. I was addressing the O.P. who seems to be complaining and whining about people arguing about religion, so she "bids everyone adieu" on the religious threads because they "break her heart." Oh geeee I'm so sorry.... I bid you all adieu on the religious threads, though I'll probably pop in and out from time to time...but honestly, there is just too much hatred here for me and it breaks my heart. What she wants is for everyone to "enlighten" each other with niceness...Well, I don't think that's possible. Perhaps she could enlighten us as to how that could be accomplished. JB JB.....you create a smile from within me each time i read your post and learn more of the GREAT things you believe, and was only speaking that wining and complaining be GOOD, as there must be SOMEPLACE for all we like and dislike to be expelled, lol..... to keep within burn fires that consume the one that hold them, and why to EXPELL all bring to more beautiful times we ALL shall see and taste........ indeed your perception is as keen as even an eagle, and all i say be only to sharpen it further as all words do for me..... yes i agree, in the days of yesterday common ground and kindness has NEVER been found or seen, but as the WHOLE TRUTH had never yet heard, is was only not possible because of innocence of not yet hearing MORE TRUTH......... there shall be much of it NOW to be SEEN and FELT as the days continue to unravel the truths of many layers and ages gone by..........your an angel dear one, and keep those AWESOME posts comin........peace |
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