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I just think its funny that people categorize us in one group but the only thing we have in common is that we all believe something different. Rock on!  Very true. But "Us Vs. Them" is a thematic necessity for many people's sense of self-worth. The "enemy" is much more readily identifiable when a blanket nomenclature can be used -- regardless of accuracy and applicability (or the lack thereof). The only ones I see playing that them vs us are the unbelievers in Christ. For the most part, we Christians are just sharing our faith & trying to answer questions others have asked. I know I can get a bit testy when I know people are just being argumentative... occasionally I might take a swipe but other than that, I & other Christians don't get personal. I think the problem some have is we do quote God's word as it is what we believe. Calling us robots et al is childish cop out excuses that distracts from what is being said. Those things I will challenge. If that makes me a bad person so be it, but that would be like killing the messenger because you don't like the message. The problem is you guys quote scripture, which no one else, except christians, believe is the word of god. 90% of the debates here (jb excluded) are basicly this is fact, because scripture said it is? How is that not childish? How childish is it? well.. "jesus loves me so, because the bible told me so" thats a childish rhym, and is the defense that most use. The other is, i love you, you skanky bumb! You call people names such as heathens, unbelievers, sinners, satan worshipers, and say they have been lead astray, when ever refering to anyone who doesnt share your beliefs. thats simply not right. Yet its found its way into scripture. With a world that is in trouble & hurting & dying because of their lack of knowledge about their Creator & you all want me to believe something that only exists in your mind but you can't live out? Now there's a silly notion. BTW, those aren't my words but what God has to say about people who don't believe His word is true. Take that up with Him not me. Since I experience life in the spirit & you don't, & I know what I believe is truth & you don't, there is no reason for me to agree with you when you do not line up with God & His word. You resort to namecalling because you don't know better...that's the bottom line here. Instead of being ignorant try understanding what the will of God is. As said before, which I am quite sure you have read! I was a fellow Christian at one point in my life. I know full well, what God's word teaches and I denounce it! I am very well educated in the bible and choose not to believe as many others are versed as well and choose not to believe. Why would you think that ignorance is the cause. Many here believe you are ignorant for your views. As for the namecalling, there's the pot calling the kettle black. If you read this post from beginning to end, I think you will see, that you, my friend were the first to spout out words of distaste towards another on here. Take a bow and step the **** out! Thanks for proving what a nasty troll you are...don't bother to answer... it will fall on deaf ears... BTW...what makes you think I would want to have coffee with you? YUK! |
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Quickstepper is a perfect example of what a Christian should not be like.
Thanks quickstepper! 
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I just think its funny that people categorize us in one group but the only thing we have in common is that we all believe something different. Rock on! Very true. But "Us Vs. Them" is a thematic necessity for many people's sense of self-worth. The "enemy" is much more readily identifiable when a blanket nomenclature can be used -- regardless of accuracy and applicability (or the lack thereof). The only ones I see playing that them vs us are the unbelievers in Christ. For the most part, we Christians are just sharing our faith & trying to answer questions others have asked. I know I can get a bit testy when I know people are just being argumentative... occasionally I might take a swipe but other than that, I & other Christians don't get personal. I think the problem some have is we do quote God's word as it is what we believe. Calling us robots et al is childish cop out excuses that distracts from what is being said. Those things I will challenge. If that makes me a bad person so be it, but that would be like killing the messenger because you don't like the message. The problem is you guys quote scripture, which no one else, except christians, believe is the word of god. 90% of the debates here (jb excluded) are basicly this is fact, because scripture said it is? How is that not childish? How childish is it? well.. "jesus loves me so, because the bible told me so" thats a childish rhym, and is the defense that most use. The other is, i love you, you skanky bumb! You call people names such as heathens, unbelievers, sinners, satan worshipers, and say they have been lead astray, when ever refering to anyone who doesnt share your beliefs. thats simply not right. Yet its found its way into scripture. With a world that is in trouble & hurting & dying because of their lack of knowledge about their Creator & you all want me to believe something that only exists in your mind but you can't live out? Now there's a silly notion. BTW, those aren't my words but what God has to say about people who don't believe His word is true. Take that up with Him not me. Since I experience life in the spirit & you don't, & I know what I believe is truth & you don't, there is no reason for me to agree with you when you do not line up with God & His word. You resort to namecalling because you don't know better...that's the bottom line here. Instead of being ignorant try understanding what the will of God is. Prove that the Earth is in trouble because people don't believe in your God. Last time I heard it was pollution. And see, that there is where the difference of perspective comes in. To some people all the things that have been going on lately, The tornadoes killing thousands, the floods destroying cities, The disaster areas being called all over because of natural disasters. To some people that is the wrath of God coming down to smite the evil doers again and signs that God is unhappy. Whereas I believe that Mother Nature (For lack of a better name) is pissed. She is tired of us taking the earth for granted and polluting and destroying her forests and destroying her earth. So she in turn is destroying back. It's all just a perspective thing anyway. No one will be able to convince me that God is doing this and we won't be able to convince them that God is sitting this one out. It's this type of "pharoah" thinking that ALWAYS get humanity in trouble. Pharoah didn't believe God until the last curse being death...fell on his house. Here's something you didn't think about... I think God is waiting for His dear beloved prodical children to turn back to Him. Maybe He's slowly trying to get humanity's attention. Yu think? No, I don't think that is the case. and I will explain why. I do apologize because I don't think I made my full point clear in my first post. I am in no way saying that I don't think that there is a God. I can't know for sure. I just believe that if their is God and Mother Nature are two seperate entities. The reason why I don't believe God is the one sending natural disasters to tear about the world is he is supposed to be a kind and loving God. He is supposed to love everyone. After the great flood with Noah he said that he would never let his anger get to a point again where he would destroy life. So assuming that he is a God of his word I don't believe that he is causing all this distruction. Mother Nature on the other hand is a neutral force. She could care less if you are good, evil, or other. All she cares about is her nature and the balance of things, and right now I think she is pissed with what we have done to her world so now she is fighting back. Which is resulting in the deaths and injuries of many. I am sure both good and bad, just whoever gets in her way. I don't believe it is God doing this because if it was he would be breaking his infallible word that he would not do something like this again. I apologize again for the miscommunication. I was in a hurry earlier. |
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I just think its funny that people categorize us in one group but the only thing we have in common is that we all believe something different. Rock on! Very true. But "Us Vs. Them" is a thematic necessity for many people's sense of self-worth. The "enemy" is much more readily identifiable when a blanket nomenclature can be used -- regardless of accuracy and applicability (or the lack thereof). The only ones I see playing that them vs us are the unbelievers in Christ. For the most part, we Christians are just sharing our faith & trying to answer questions others have asked. I know I can get a bit testy when I know people are just being argumentative... occasionally I might take a swipe but other than that, I & other Christians don't get personal. I think the problem some have is we do quote God's word as it is what we believe. Calling us robots et al is childish cop out excuses that distracts from what is being said. Those things I will challenge. If that makes me a bad person so be it, but that would be like killing the messenger because you don't like the message. The problem is you guys quote scripture, which no one else, except christians, believe is the word of god. 90% of the debates here (jb excluded) are basicly this is fact, because scripture said it is? How is that not childish? How childish is it? well.. "jesus loves me so, because the bible told me so" thats a childish rhym, and is the defense that most use. The other is, i love you, you skanky bumb! You call people names such as heathens, unbelievers, sinners, satan worshipers, and say they have been lead astray, when ever refering to anyone who doesnt share your beliefs. thats simply not right. Yet its found its way into scripture. With a world that is in trouble & hurting & dying because of their lack of knowledge about their Creator & you all want me to believe something that only exists in your mind but you can't live out? Now there's a silly notion. BTW, those aren't my words but what God has to say about people who don't believe His word is true. Take that up with Him not me. Since I experience life in the spirit & you don't, & I know what I believe is truth & you don't, there is no reason for me to agree with you when you do not line up with God & His word. You resort to namecalling because you don't know better...that's the bottom line here. Instead of being ignorant try understanding what the will of God is. Prove that the Earth is in trouble because people don't believe in your God. Last time I heard it was pollution. And see, that there is where the difference of perspective comes in. To some people all the things that have been going on lately, The tornadoes killing thousands, the floods destroying cities, The disaster areas being called all over because of natural disasters. To some people that is the wrath of God coming down to smite the evil doers again and signs that God is unhappy. Whereas I believe that Mother Nature (For lack of a better name) is pissed. She is tired of us taking the earth for granted and polluting and destroying her forests and destroying her earth. So she in turn is destroying back. It's all just a perspective thing anyway. No one will be able to convince me that God is doing this and we won't be able to convince them that God is sitting this one out. It's this type of "pharoah" thinking that ALWAYS get humanity in trouble. Pharoah didn't believe God until the last curse being death...fell on his house. Here's something you didn't think about... I think God is waiting for His dear beloved prodical children to turn back to Him. Maybe He's slowly trying to get humanity's attention. Yu think? No, I don't think that is the case. and I will explain why. I do apologize because I don't think I made my full point clear in my first post. I am in no way saying that I don't think that there is a God. I can't know for sure. I just believe that if their is God and Mother Nature are two seperate entities. The reason why I don't believe God is the one sending natural disasters to tear about the world is he is supposed to be a kind and loving God. He is supposed to love everyone. After the great flood with Noah he said that he would never let his anger get to a point again where he would destroy life. So assuming that he is a God of his word I don't believe that he is causing all this distruction. Mother Nature on the other hand is a neutral force. She could care less if you are good, evil, or other. All she cares about is her nature and the balance of things, and right now I think she is pissed with what we have done to her world so now she is fighting back. Which is resulting in the deaths and injuries of many. I am sure both good and bad, just whoever gets in her way. I don't believe it is God doing this because if it was he would be breaking his infallible word that he would not do something like this again. I apologize again for the miscommunication. I was in a hurry earlier. LOL... I can see why you would say that. Well so you think Mather Nature acts on Her own accord? Independant of God? Well if she is God is allowing it. God's word is clear about lifting His hand of protection off disobediant & rebellious children. However, He does give us plenty of time to return to Him... that is His act of grace...His long suffering for us. |
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