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Understand ambiguity

Let's imagine that you have cancer and that you are a believer. You pray to God for a cure, you undergo surgery and chemotherapy, and the cancer does in fact go into remission.

What cured you? Was it the chemotherapy, or was it God?

In other words, is there any way to know whether God is playing a role or not when we pray?

The problem is that, in this imagined case, there is ambiguity. The Christian believes that God answered the prayer, but it could also be a simple coincidence.

All scientific evidence clearly indicates that it is, in fact, a coincidence. Whenever we do a scientific experiment on the efficacy of prayer, the data shows no effect from prayer (see this proof). Scientific evidence indicates that "answered prayers" really are coincidences every single time.

So how do we figure this out? Is God answering prayers as Christians believe, or is it coincidence as science indicates?

The way to answer that question is to remove the ambiguity. We make it impossible for the "answered prayer" to be a coincidence, and then we see what happens.

The way to remove the ambiguity is to say a prayer that cannot be answered by coincidence. For example, instead of praying that God cures one person's cancer, pray that God eliminates all cancer tomorrow. There is only one way for that to happen. God would have to exist, and God would have to reach down from heaven and explicitly work a miracle on earth.

What we find whenever we perform an unambiguous experiment like this is that God never answers unambiguous prayers. Jesus promises in many places in the Bible that he will answer prayers -- even impossible prayers. But what you find whenever you put Jesus to the test is that Jesus is making a false promise.

What we find is that God never answers impossible prayers - even if the prayers are incredibly worthy. For example:

Pray to God to levitate a car and hold it floating in the air for ten minutes. It will not happen, even if you are praying to levitate the car because a drunk driver has run over a college freshman and she is currently pinned under one of the wheels.

Pray to God to let you fly through the air like Superman. It will not happen, even if you are praying to fly like superman so that you can rise up to a tenth story window and save two children from their burning apartment.

Pray to God to fill your basement with $100 million in small unmarked bills. It will not happen, even if you plan to donate the $100 million that God gives you to a worthy and deserving charity.

Pray to God to restore the amputated limbs of a deserving, penitent believer. It will not happen, no matter how sincere you are in your prayer.

None of these prayers will ever be answered. We know that with certainty. If they were answered, we would see people flying thought the air like Superman on the evening news. We would see amputated limbs regenerating all the time. Every Christian charity would be fully funded and there would not be 10 million children starving to death every year.

These unambiguous prayers are how we know, for sure, that God/Jesus are not actually answering prayers. The scientific evidence is correct. "Answered prayers" are nothing more than simple coincidences every single time. The whole idea of "God answering prayers" is a complete illusion because God is imaginary.

GOD IS A LIE

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Anyway, back to the subject. I would like to think that there is a god but then logic and reality shows the contrary. If there be a god, then why are my accomplishments achieved by my own will?

By the will of God! He gives it to you, lmao!

No sit back n wait for god to do it all for u!

I wish I knew! I ask and ask and get all kinds of answers. I am non religious, agnostic, atheist, and spiritual depending on my day!

I do want to believe that everything you touch, see, hear is nothing more then energy. Energy that we can manipulate to our will. For example if you wake up and believe you will have a bad day then it is most likely it will happen, or at least the chances are higher when it happens. Of course if you believe you will have a great day then it is most likely it will happen.

Perhaps this is faith for some as they just use scriptures to have a relationship with god and that some don't need them and can still live a balanced life.

I merely ask all these questions and actually challenge if their is a god at all! I know it may frustrated people, but I am just searching for logic. Nothing more!

LMAO.......

I full understand where you're coming from. If you wake up in the morning thinking that you're going to have a bad day, you will simply because it's in your heart and you begin to look for things throughout the day that only comfirm what you felt when you woke up. The same is true for the opposite but it's still you that it's centered around and I cannot see where a god would have a play in that. If he did then god would surely be a dictator and there really would not be such a thing as freedom of will.

Oh no concerning God if there is one or not I am not sure. I want to think there isn't most of the time.

What I was applying by believining in positive energy is another way of enjoying life without even having to believe in a God.

I think it is called the nature of attraction.

I also want to believe if there is a god he accepts all into their arms even if one doesn't believe in him. I envision he is a all loving god and doesn't put anyone in a hell or heaven.

In the long run it is just questions, questions, questions.

and it seems many have answers, so I observe and try to understand.