Topic: The President?
tim20721's photo
Wed 06/11/08 11:17 AM

What Company?
Can you imagine working for the following company?
It has little over 500 employees with the following statistics:

o 29 have been accused of spousal abuse
o 7 have been arrested for fraud
o 19 have been accused of writing bad cheques
o 117 have bankrupted at least 2 businesses
o 3 have been arrested for assault
o 71 can’t get a credit card because of bad credit
o 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
o 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
o 21 are current defendants in lawsuits

In 1998, 84 were stopped for drunk driving

Can you guess what organization it is?

Give up?

It is the 535 members of the Congress of the United States of America!


I can't personally vouch for the numbers, but it does bring the thought why do we all focus on the President when the congress is the real power in this country? The president ASKS the congress for bills, submits his budget for approval, and requests their authorization for presidential acts. Yet the white house gets all the blame.

Maybe this year we should all subject our representatives to presidential scrutiny and ignore party lines to reform our government for change.

no photo
Wed 06/11/08 11:21 AM
We are phuqued. That's all there is to it. devil

tim20721's photo
Wed 06/11/08 11:27 AM

We are phuqued. That's all there is to it. devil


Only because we as a population continue to vote in the same people election after election. We live in the age of the internet, checking if our reps. are doing their jobs is so easy now, yet everyone still lets the media tell them what they should hear. Do a little research.

mnhiker's photo
Wed 06/11/08 11:45 AM


What Company?
Can you imagine working for the following company?
It has little over 500 employees with the following statistics:

o 29 have been accused of spousal abuse
o 7 have been arrested for fraud
o 19 have been accused of writing bad cheques
o 117 have bankrupted at least 2 businesses
o 3 have been arrested for assault
o 71 can’t get a credit card because of bad credit
o 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
o 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
o 21 are current defendants in lawsuits

In 1998, 84 were stopped for drunk driving

Can you guess what organization it is?

Give up?

It is the 535 members of the Congress of the United States of America!


I can't personally vouch for the numbers, but it does bring the thought why do we all focus on the President when the congress is the real power in this country? The president ASKS the congress for bills, submits his budget for approval, and requests their authorization for presidential acts. Yet the white house gets all the blame.

Maybe this year we should all subject our representatives to presidential scrutiny and ignore party lines to reform our government for change.


I wonder how many of these offenders were Republican? ohwell

tim20721's photo
Wed 06/11/08 11:55 AM



What Company?
Can you imagine working for the following company?
It has little over 500 employees with the following statistics:

o 29 have been accused of spousal abuse
o 7 have been arrested for fraud
o 19 have been accused of writing bad cheques
o 117 have bankrupted at least 2 businesses
o 3 have been arrested for assault
o 71 can’t get a credit card because of bad credit
o 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
o 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
o 21 are current defendants in lawsuits

In 1998, 84 were stopped for drunk driving

Can you guess what organization it is?

Give up?

It is the 535 members of the Congress of the United States of America!


I can't personally vouch for the numbers, but it does bring the thought why do we all focus on the President when the congress is the real power in this country? The president ASKS the congress for bills, submits his budget for approval, and requests their authorization for presidential acts. Yet the white house gets all the blame.

Maybe this year we should all subject our representatives to presidential scrutiny and ignore party lines to reform our government for change.


I wonder how many of these offenders were Republican? ohwell


Why do we as a nation always try to categorize into a party? The two party system has become a large part of the problem. The parties decide who they will promote, and who they will finance. Thus giving us no other viable choice unless WE think outside the box, check all the options, and vote only for the people who will do their job. Let us all forget party lines and do whats right for the country.

MsCarmen's photo
Wed 06/11/08 12:05 PM


We are phuqued. That's all there is to it. devil


Only because we as a population continue to vote in the same people election after election. We live in the age of the internet, checking if our reps. are doing their jobs is so easy now, yet everyone still lets the media tell them what they should hear. Do a little research.


Yeah, but how do you know what to believe and what not to believe? We all know that people use the internet to make up stories about politicians. Look at Obama and the scandal produced about him not saluting the flag. That turned out to be false, but the minute it was put out there, everyone believed it.

So even if you research someone who wants to represent your state, how do you prove if they are really authentic when you don't know what you are reading about them is actually true or not?

tim20721's photo
Wed 06/11/08 12:17 PM



We are phuqued. That's all there is to it. devil


Only because we as a population continue to vote in the same people election after election. We live in the age of the internet, checking if our reps. are doing their jobs is so easy now, yet everyone still lets the media tell them what they should hear. Do a little research.


Yeah, but how do you know what to believe and what not to believe? We all know that people use the internet to make up stories about politicians. Look at Obama and the scandal produced about him not saluting the flag. That turned out to be false, but the minute it was put out there, everyone believed it.

So even if you research someone who wants to represent your state, how do you prove if they are really authentic when you don't know what you are reading about them is actually true or not?


Blogs are usually opinion or just copies of media reports. We all have those issues that are important to us. Each of those issues have associations that are promoting those issues. A simple google search get you started. Which candidate supports your issues? The congressional votes are public record, available through the internet, you can check how they voted. There are two quick ways to start you own research. Don't forget to check the candidates web site to see what they say. Then you can see if their statements are fact!

FearandLoathing's photo
Wed 06/11/08 01:51 PM


We are phuqued. That's all there is to it. devil


Only because we as a population continue to vote in the same people election after election. We live in the age of the internet, checking if our reps. are doing their jobs is so easy now, yet everyone still lets the media tell them what they should hear. Do a little research.


We as a population don't stand together when needed, has nothing to do with the voting. If we as a nation stood together for one cause instead of griping about it somewhere the one cause would be looked at. One problem can be conquered by one person standing and shouting, 535 problems require a bit more than one person.

mnhiker's photo
Wed 06/11/08 05:37 PM



We are phuqued. That's all there is to it. devil


Only because we as a population continue to vote in the same people election after election. We live in the age of the internet, checking if our reps. are doing their jobs is so easy now, yet everyone still lets the media tell them what they should hear. Do a little research.


Yeah, but how do you know what to believe and what not to believe? We all know that people use the internet to make up stories about politicians. Look at Obama and the scandal produced about him not saluting the flag. That turned out to be false, but the minute it was put out there, everyone believed it.

So even if you research someone who wants to represent your state, how do you prove if they are really authentic when you don't know what you are reading about them is actually true or not?


And the press is totally to blame for this.

It seems that almost everything you read today is propaganda and bullshyt.

Reporters used to have something known as 'journalistic standards'.

Whatever happened to those? grumble

mnhiker's photo
Wed 06/11/08 05:41 PM




We are phuqued. That's all there is to it. devil


Only because we as a population continue to vote in the same people election after election. We live in the age of the internet, checking if our reps. are doing their jobs is so easy now, yet everyone still lets the media tell them what they should hear. Do a little research.


Yeah, but how do you know what to believe and what not to believe? We all know that people use the internet to make up stories about politicians. Look at Obama and the scandal produced about him not saluting the flag. That turned out to be false, but the minute it was put out there, everyone believed it.

So even if you research someone who wants to represent your state, how do you prove if they are really authentic when you don't know what you are reading about them is actually true or not?


Blogs are usually opinion or just copies of media reports. We all have those issues that are important to us. Each of those issues have associations that are promoting those issues. A simple google search get you started. Which candidate supports your issues? The congressional votes are public record, available through the internet, you can check how they voted. There are two quick ways to start you own research. Don't forget to check the candidates web site to see what they say. Then you can see if their statements are fact!


I agree.

Instead of looking at a candidate's positions, some people throw out emotion-laden catchphrases like 'communist', 'liberal' or 'socialist', all of which mean absolutely nothing at all.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 06/11/08 05:42 PM





We are phuqued. That's all there is to it. devil


Only because we as a population continue to vote in the same people election after election. We live in the age of the internet, checking if our reps. are doing their jobs is so easy now, yet everyone still lets the media tell them what they should hear. Do a little research.


Yeah, but how do you know what to believe and what not to believe? We all know that people use the internet to make up stories about politicians. Look at Obama and the scandal produced about him not saluting the flag. That turned out to be false, but the minute it was put out there, everyone believed it.

So even if you research someone who wants to represent your state, how do you prove if they are really authentic when you don't know what you are reading about them is actually true or not?


Blogs are usually opinion or just copies of media reports. We all have those issues that are important to us. Each of those issues have associations that are promoting those issues. A simple google search get you started. Which candidate supports your issues? The congressional votes are public record, available through the internet, you can check how they voted. There are two quick ways to start you own research. Don't forget to check the candidates web site to see what they say. Then you can see if their statements are fact!


I agree.

Instead of looking at a candidate's positions, some people throw out emotion-laden catchphrases like 'communist', 'liberal' or 'socialist', all of which mean absolutely nothing at all.


Thats how hillary and Obama got there.

Damn Democratsgrumble

no photo
Wed 06/11/08 05:52 PM
Edited by sam53 on Wed 06/11/08 05:53 PM


And the press is totally to blame for this.

It seems that almost everything you read today is propaganda and bullshyt.

Reporters used to have something known as 'journalistic standards'.

Whatever happened to those? grumble



Unfortunately the media are a big headache for the nation .
Most of them are dishonest and work for the corrupt administration . Politicians keep on lying and the media support their lies .sad sad .

tim20721's photo
Wed 06/11/08 10:11 PM
No we as a people are responsible. We have allowed ourselves to be led by the nose for years. Now that we have the ability to find the information for ourselves its too difficult, or we don't have time, or the lawn needs watered. Rather then look for facts we find some blog to quote, or some author from the other party, or someone who has a grudge, or just wants to make a buck riding the current poll numbers that have been affected by the corrupt media.

While I hate to break the news, there is media corruption for both sides of the Isle. Please note that this post was originally nonpartisan! I am a true INDEPENDENT and refuse to back any candidate just because of their party. If more would follow and actually investigate what the politicians have done not what they have said, we might get a government that works.

FearandLoathing's photo
Wed 06/11/08 10:50 PM
Edited by FearandLoathing on Wed 06/11/08 10:50 PM

No we as a people are responsible. We have allowed ourselves to be led by the nose for years. Now that we have the ability to find the information for ourselves its too difficult, or we don't have time, or the lawn needs watered. Rather then look for facts we find some blog to quote, or some author from the other party, or someone who has a grudge, or just wants to make a buck riding the current poll numbers that have been affected by the corrupt media.

While I hate to break the news, there is media corruption for both sides of the Isle. Please note that this post was originally nonpartisan! I am a true INDEPENDENT and refuse to back any candidate just because of their party. If more would follow and actually investigate what the politicians have done not what they have said, we might get a government that works.


I'm an anarchist, 'there's no government like no government at all'. But that is besides the point as I also struggle for what once existed in this once prideful nation, regardless of how many people you can get to actually look into facts you will still have millions of other people looking at their favorite blog. Power is taken from men who deserve the power and given to those who have no right to take the power, been alive and well for decades. Perhaps if you wrote your senate about your concerns you might raise awareness, as it stands a forum is not exactly the best place to take a stand.

tim20721's photo
Thu 06/12/08 02:36 AM
But for each person that can be educated that is one more to educate someone else. With time and perseverance we can once again have a working democratic republic. Chaos is simply a continuation of the current situation. Will everybody always be happy? NO, if more than one person is on an island everybody isn't always going to be happy. Will the government start to do its job, quit worrying more about its party and power then the country? Once they believe they don't have the job for life, and don't hold the Illusion of supreme power anymore yes it should improve.