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| Topic: 2nd pt of Is Heaven Your Goal Series | |
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Actually I had accountants and the Vice President for that. My main function was to oversee all of the employees and to make sure that said about were doing their jobs in order for the flow of the company. Now yes I was ultimately in charge of all so you could say that except for one tiny flaw.....I did not do such work in the Lord's house. And when your talking about the money changers that were in the temple...This guys were doing business in the house of the Lord and that was what Jesus didn't like...It was a lack of respect for his Father....And I sir never do business on the Lord's day.
And once again you are wrong......You can ask Jesus for anything....but it doesn't mean that your going to get it, as all is on his time not yours. There is no prayer that you can't pray.....and Jesus loves all of your burdens and sin....That is why he died for us. I also believe that Jesus doesn't want you to be poor...to the contrary he blesses and sees that I have all, and that is because I am not selfish with my money and I give back alot. Jesus always preached to give to the poor, to give to those less fortunate then yourselves...I pride myself on doing just that. And Jesus didn't have a conniption fit. Imagine funch how you would feel if someone came into your mother's home and totally disrespected her. How would you feel? Pretty angry huh....well so did Jesus. But understand that Jesus was always in control of what he did, and did so with great purpose. So even in this case was Jesus' angry...of course he was.....did he have a conniption fit....I would say no. And I would never as you say CEO at the Father God's temple...so again reaching my love......reaching and grasping and nothing. |
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Actually I had accountants and the Vice President for that. My main function was to oversee all of the employees and to make sure that said about were doing their jobs in order for the flow of the company. Now yes I was ultimately in charge of all so you could say that except for one tiny flaw.....I did not do such work in the Lord's house. And when your talking about the money changers that were in the temple...This guys were doing business in the house of the Lord and that was what Jesus didn't like...It was a lack of respect for his Father....And I sir never do business on the Lord's day. "feralcatlady" "The Parable of The Slothful Servant" applies wheather one is money-changing within the Lord's temple or outside the Lord's temple money-changing went against God's law and Jesus teaching...did Jesus go out and money change or preach in favor of money changing once he left the walls of the Lord's Temple..but yet you pray to him to aid you in it ...would a true follower of Jesus's teaching so such a thing? And Jesus didn't have a conniption fit. a conniption fit is a sudden emotional outburst and that is exactly what Jesus had when he started overturning the benches and tables of the money changers in the temple ..but I understand why you keep trying to deny this ..because since you claim that Jesus is God then it would explain why God blew a gasket and cause that Noah's Ark incident ..God had an emotional outburst and instead of overturning benches he resorted to drown people |
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Yeah? And, how long can you tread water? I find feralcatlady's faith touching and beautiful.
Thank God for people who rely on the Lord day by day. Thank God for the power of prayer. Thank God for the money and the resources that he entrusts us with. What we do with those resources we are accountable for, of course. |
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Yeah? And, how long can you tread water? I find feralcatlady's faith touching and beautiful. "yashafox" like Tina Turner said..What faith gots-tha do with it ...if Jesus teachings was against money changing then why ask him to bless you while you do it in or out of the Lord's temple .. so how far from the Lord's temple do one have to be for Jesus to say that it's alright to engage in money changing? ..atleast 1 foot from the temple? ....20 yards from the temple? ..1,000 miles from the temple? it's strange that I have to give you guys sunday school lessons |
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You are soooooo wrong......God has nothing against you making money you silly lil funch....and especially when your giving most of it away to those less fortunate...Making money is not a sin......I make it in order to put a roof over my families head, to feed them, and to better the universe.....Now if I was a drug dealer and dealt to lil kids at the elementary school, robbed peopled for their money then I would say you have a leg to stand on...as it is you do not I am afraid and all your getting are a lot of gigglesnorts from me. Now asking Jesus to bless a meeting that I am part of....there is no greater thing...To wake up in the morning and thank the Lord for all that he does in my life....good thing....to ask for his guidance all day every day is a glorious thing...
Conniption Fit = a fit of hysterical excitement or anger. He was in no way hysterical......upset very.....hysterical no. man is to blaim and man alone....don't listen to God...but then surly you will have the consequences to deal with. |
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Conniption Fit = a fit of hysterical excitement or anger. He was in no way hysterical......upset very.....hysterical no. "feralcatlady" you use described Jesus as being very upset when he was turning over tables and benches in the Lord's temple.. no matter how you try and sugar coat it Jesus was having a temper tandrum ... and that clearly wasn't the type of behavior that should be taking place in the Lord's Temple ..which means that Jesus was guilty of the same crime that he was condemning others for which was disrespecting the Lord's Temple ..this was clearly not one of Jesus's finer moments |
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Conniption Fit = a fit of hysterical excitement or anger. He was in no way hysterical......upset very.....hysterical no. "feralcatlady" you use described Jesus as being very upset when he was turning over tables and benches in the Lord's temple.. no matter how you try and sugar coat it Jesus was having a temper tandrum ... and that clearly wasn't the type of behavior that should be taking place in the Lord's Temple ..which means that Jesus was guilty of the same crime that he was condemning others for which was disrespecting the Lord's Temple ..this was clearly not one of Jesus's finer moments Well no because Jesus had everyright for having a temper tandrum (tantrim) in the house of his Father.....I just think your dellusional in thinking that Jeesus was raging.....Jesus didn't rage.....He was proving a point when he turned the table over and for all that were disrespecting his Father's house. |
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Conniption Fit = a fit of hysterical excitement or anger. He was in no way hysterical......upset very.....hysterical no. "feralcatlady" you use described Jesus as being very upset when he was turning over tables and benches in the Lord's temple.. no matter how you try and sugar coat it Jesus was having a temper tandrum ... and that clearly wasn't the type of behavior that should be taking place in the Lord's Temple ..which means that Jesus was guilty of the same crime that he was condemning others for which was disrespecting the Lord's Temple ..this was clearly not one of Jesus's finer moments Well no because Jesus had everyright for having a temper tandrum (tantrim) in the house of his Father.....I just think your dellusional in thinking that Jeesus was raging.....Jesus didn't rage.....He was proving a point when he turned the table over and for all that were disrespecting his Father's house. so since God is Jesus's Father then Jesus is "Entitled" to have a temper tandrum (tantrim)and trash his Father's House but those other people can't because they are not "entitled" and special like Jesus... ..er.."feralcatlady" ..the only point Jesus was trying to prove and did prove was that he has an Ego and a temper ..but why are you trying to deny that Jesus is human and has human emotions ....oh that right how can Jesus be human if he is God... er... are you sure Jesus is God? |
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Conniption Fit = a fit of hysterical excitement or anger. He was in no way hysterical......upset very.....hysterical no. "feralcatlady" you use described Jesus as being very upset when he was turning over tables and benches in the Lord's temple.. no matter how you try and sugar coat it Jesus was having a temper tandrum ... and that clearly wasn't the type of behavior that should be taking place in the Lord's Temple ..which means that Jesus was guilty of the same crime that he was condemning others for which was disrespecting the Lord's Temple ..this was clearly not one of Jesus's finer moments Well no because Jesus had everyright for having a temper tandrum (tantrim) in the house of his Father.....I just think your dellusional in thinking that Jeesus was raging.....Jesus didn't rage.....He was proving a point when he turned the table over and for all that were disrespecting his Father's house. so since God is Jesus's Father then Jesus is "Entitled" to have a temper tandrum (tantrim)and trash his Father's House but those other people can't because they are not "entitled" and special like Jesus... ..er.."feralcatlady" ..the only point Jesus was trying to prove and did prove was that he has an Ego and a temper ..but why are you trying to deny that Jesus is human and has human emotions ....oh that right how can Jesus be human if he is God... er... are you sure Jesus is God? Oh I am not denying that Jesus was mad....temper tantrim I am denying....yes......and now I am going to have one. Grabs funch ties his cutieful self up, gags him and throws him into a cyber closet to live out his last days....roglh  If your a good boy I might let you out.....NOT Now that a temper tantrum.....hahahahha |
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And Jesus didn't have a conniption fit. Imagine funch how you would feel if someone came into your mother's home and totally disrespected her. How would you feel? Pretty angry huh....well so did Jesus. But understand that Jesus was always in control of what he did, and did so with great purpose. So even in this case was Jesus' angry...of course he was.....did he have a conniption fit....I would say no. well 'fearalcatlady" let's say some women did come into my mother's house to money-change and sell stuff and had tupperware and lingerie displayed on some tables .. first of all it's my mother's house so why would I come in there and start turning over tables and trashing her house .. wouldn't that be disrespecting my mother and her house while making me appear to be some type of raving lunatic having a conniption fit ....besides I may want to see those women model some of that lingerie first and taste some of that food in that tupperware .. which means that Jesus had no right to come into the Lord's temple and start trashing it...this is an example of how even when Jesus and/or God appears to be doing evil believers try to justify it as being good ..so face the facts it's best to say that Jesus was having a conniption fit then calling him a raving lunatic because when he was in the temple turning over tables those money changers probably thought he was |
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Grabs funch ties his cutieful self up, gags him and throws him into a cyber closet to live out his last days....roglh bondage? ...hummmm kinky |
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Grabs funch ties his cutieful self up, gags him and throws him into a cyber closet to live out his last days....roglh bondage? ...hummmm kinky Your so bad....... |
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Do you fit this profile? I suppose I would. As I don't believe there is a "God" in the sense that it was portrayed in this question, I don't look for guidance from that source. And if so why is it that you feel that you can’t look at God to deal with daily issues. Do you feel it makes you less of a person? No, I don't feel that it makes me less of a person to ask for guidance or help if I need it. But, I feel that one should look within one's self first for the answer. To try to better explain my personal belief, please bear with me a minute  I believe in a higher being, by whatever name it has been called through the different religions and through history. But I don't believe that higher being/essense has emotions in the sense that mankind gives them emotions. That's a way of humanizing something we don't understand, which is completely normal to do. Even wild animals have emotions and personalities, though humans are of the opinion they are not intelligent on the same level we are. Emotions are a weakness and I don't believe that any higher being has those emotions in the sense that humans give them emotions. I beleive that higher beings are more like trees (to provide an example lol) They are there, and present, providing requirements for life. But I can no more ask a tree how to live my life or for guidance or to make sure something goes my way, or give me and my family this, etc etc...than I could from the powers that be. Well...I could, it just wouldn't do any good lol We were given the ability to problem solve, think for ourselves, make our own choices, etc and should use them. Before you ever go to your meeting, you prepare. You make sure you've done all your homework, put together a presentation, know all your facts, have covered any questions that might come up from every angle, etc etc. Now you can ask that things go well, that the people you're having the meeting with will be influenced by your presentation...but in the end, it's what you've done before you walk through the door that will make the difference. You can ask for guidance and the swaying of minds/hearts all you like...but if you havn't done your end of things...nothing is going to happen. So that's sort of where I stand. Is there something far greater than anything we have ever or will ever come across in our living lives? Yes. Is that something God? Not in the defined terms, no. Do you believe this could be possible? If not explain why not? No. Again, we are humanizing something we have no real understanding of and something that can not be humanized. By saying that satan/the devil/lucifer and God/Jesus, Jesus (I always get confused on if that is the same being or different beings...it seems to vary) have wars amongst themselves and are, in essence.."out to get us" (speaking in the terms of a devil) or "out to save us" (speaking in terms of the god/jesus, jesus?) again puts humanity upon something that is anything but human. Those are human atributes. Plain and simple. And I think it's something humans have placed upon a higher being in a struggle to understand and rationalize that is beyond our realm of comprehension. Hope that answered your questions from my standpoint :) I'm sure there will be a lot of people that will disagree with me...but, you ask for us to answer the questions in our understanding or from our own personal belief system....so there it is 
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I liked what you had to say......but if your insane are you sure this is what is really in your heart....and if so how would you know if your insane?..
Do you fit this profile? I suppose I would. As I don't believe there is a "God" in the sense that it was portrayed in this question, I don't look for guidance from that source. And if so why is it that you feel that you can’t look at God to deal with daily issues. Do you feel it makes you less of a person?
No, I don't feel that it makes me less of a person to ask for guidance or help if I need it. But, I feel that one should look within one's self first for the answer. Debbie's Says: Do you think it's possible to know oneself so well that you let God in as a guide not because you can't do it yourself, but because that is why he died to take our sin and burden. Of course I make decisions every day.....but I ask pray for God to guide me because I can. To try to better explain my personal belief, please bear with me a minute I believe in a higher being, by whatever name it has been called through the different religions and through history. But I don't believe that higher being/essense has emotions in the sense that mankind gives them emotions. That's a way of humanizing something we don't understand, which is completely normal to do. Even wild animals have emotions and personalities, though humans are of the opinion they are not intelligent on the same level we are. Emotions are a weakness and I don't believe that any higher being has those emotions in the sense that humans give them emotions. Debbie Says: And this again all well and good for you....But I can't imagine for me a God who would give His only Son and turned away when the sin was leashed on Christ and not feel emotion with that was coming down. If God makes me weep for no apparent reason other then when I am asking him something or praying....How could he not have emotion if he is putting that emotion through me. I beleive that higher beings are more like trees (to provide an example lol) They are there, and present, providing requirements for life. But I can no more ask a tree how to live my life or for guidance or to make sure something goes my way, or give me and my family this, etc etc...than I could from the powers that be. Well...I could, it just wouldn't do any good lol We were given the ability to problem solve, think for ourselves,in His make our own choices, etc and should use them. Before you ever go to your meeting, you prepare. You make sure you've done all your homework, put together a presentation, know all your facts, have covered any questions that might come up from every angle, etc etc. Now you can ask that things go well, that the people you're having the meeting with will be influenced by your presentation...but in the end, it's what you've done before you walk through the door that will make the difference. You can ask for guidance and the swaying of minds/hearts all you like...but if you havn't done your end of things...nothing is going to happen. Debbie Says: And I can ask.....because when I do the prayers are answered...not all the time because it is on God's time not mine. If the creator as I see it made all that is.....why would I do anything other then use a tree, for product for air etc. I would not pray to a tree. Now I agree that with anything just as believing in God it's a choice. If I choose to have God tied to every aspect of my life....Is that a bad thing...heck no that what God wants. You don't get to heaven by works but through faith. And because of my faith in God all things are possible. How could I not think this with all that God is doing right here on JSH....Miracles are happening and it's not through our will but His. God = Creator Jesus = His Son who will come back and this world will belong to him again. He will be the All Mighty the voice. satan = Will be banned by Jesus for all eternity never to darken our doorsteps again. And understand one last thing. You are so very very entitled to believe as you wish....as I am.....and can we have our differences and still love each other as human beings....yeppers. |
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Debbie's Says: Do you think it's possible to know oneself so well that you let God in as a guide not because you can't do it yourself, but because that is why he died to take our sin and burden. Of course I make decisions every day.....but I ask pray for God to guide me because I can. Mmm...but then it comes down to the religion. I would have to believe that for it to apply to me in the same sense it applies to you :) Debbie Says: And this again all well and good for you....But I can't imagine for me a God who would give His only Son and turned away when the sin was leashed on Christ and not feel emotion with that was coming down. If God makes me weep for no apparent reason other then when I am asking him something or praying....How could he not have emotion if he is putting that emotion through me. For me, I don't believe that there are the 2 gods (god and jesus) I just believe there is something, but that that something is far vastly superior that it is above and beyond emotion. As in, it has no need for emotions in the sense that we do. :) Debbie Says: And I can ask.....because when I do the prayers are answered...not all the time because it is on God's time not mine. If the creator as I see it made all that is.....why would I do anything other then use a tree, for product for air etc. I would not pray to a tree. But, what I was saying, is that I believe that there is something...and it's there...but I could no more ask for it to guide me through my life than I could a tree. Now I agree that with anything just as believing in God it's a choice. If I choose to have God tied to every aspect of my life....Is that a bad thing...heck no that what God wants. You don't get to heaven by works but through faith. On this, I don't quite agree. I know lots of people who have very good faith, but their works are atrocious. It's not the faith that defines a person, but their actions. In your case, the two are hand in hand. A person of good faith would have good acts...a person of good acts would have good faith. And because of my faith in God all things are possible. How could I not think this with all that God is doing right here on JSH....Miracles are happening and it's not through our will but His. God = Creator Jesus = His Son who will come back and this world will belong to him again. He will be the All Mighty the voice. satan = Will be banned by Jesus for all eternity never to darken our doorsteps again. And understand one last thing. You are so very very entitled to believe as you wish....as I am.....and can we have our differences and still love each other as human beings....yeppers. Exactly! :D I love discussions like this...both understanding that neither is right or wrong, but that it's personal choice...personal faith and belief, and it's great to share that with each other without either party feeling as though they are being attacked. A sharing of the souls, so to speak :D 
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It does not come down to religion at least for me....it's a relationship.
And that is fine and dandy believe that the trees are God or whatever it is you want to. But then again give me that same and equal right. I believe in God the creator and his Son....that is my right. And you could ask God to guide you....you choose to not ask. That is the big difference. If God has shown me that he is real and that he is there....and prayers are answered for me....why would I not trust my life to him. Why would I not, as my life is so much better when God is the guiding force. And how can God create us in his image and we have emotions and he does not. Would we then not be created in his image. |
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It does not come down to religion at least for me....it's a relationship. And that is fine and dandy believe that the trees are God or whatever it is you want to. But then again give me that same and equal right. I believe in God the creator and his Son....that is my right. Nono...I didn't say the trees were the entity...I was trying to use them as an example. Saying that whatever entity is out there is simply there. I didn't say the entity was the tree lol And I never said you didn't have the right to believe how you wanted to? I'll have to go back and very carefully re-read my posts....but as I recall, you were asking us questions and all I did was answer the questions from my point of view...I never never said you couldn't have your own point of view or that yours was wrong or inaccurate or that you were not entitled to it and had, under no choice whatsoever, had to believe my and only my way of thinking. I thought you were simply asking for people to answer a few questions from their opinion. And you could ask God to guide you....you choose to not ask. That is the big difference. If God has shown me that he is real and that he is there....and prayers are answered for me....why would I not trust my life to him. Why would I not, as my life is so much better when God is the guiding force. And how can God create us in his image and we have emotions and he does not. Would we then not be created in his image. From my opinion...for me personally....not everyone...just me and only me am I speaking about right now...I don't believe there is a god - persay. So, by my personal feelings, I could not very well pray to something that doesn't exist (in my mind) than you could pray to anything else. Again. I have only been answering the questions from the understanding that you were curious about our own personal opinions and beliefs and were wanting us to answer from our personal view point. Apparently I was sadly mistaken and I apologize. I was in no way trying to shove my personal view point of my belief on you...I was only explaining why I believe the way I believe the same as you explained why you believe what you believe in the beginning. It was obviously taken very wrong and that was never my intent. Again, I only thought we were discussing but that is most assuredly not the case...please accept my sincere apologies. I never, ever meant to make you feel as though I was trying to tell you that you were not entitled to feel/believe/worship in the way you wish. |
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I did misunderstand and for that my humblest apologies.....This is a 3 pt series that I put together....I yes was asking but for me I know the answer....Yes I do want people to be able to give their own opinions as to what is right for them...But ultimately with any of my posts...it is to give information to those seeking and letting them do with as they wish.
It's confusing to me how someone can believe in a higher power but note want to call that higher power by what it truly is. God...now if I am understanding you correctly you do believe in a higher power but not in it being "God", which is fine. And I to was not trying to shove my beliefs down your throat...and if you felt that way again I am sorry. I guess what makes it so hard for me is knowing what I know, trying to share and people saying he doesn't exsist..you excluded because you have never said that. |
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