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Topic: What in the Name of God?
Milesoftheusa's photo
Tue 05/27/08 11:40 AM
Thier is only 1 name the rest are attributes. Like Yahshalom.. Yahweh's Peace.

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Tue 05/27/08 12:17 PM

Thier is only 1 name the rest are attributes. Like Yahshalom.. Yahweh's Peace.


Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Wow...Jesus is the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father...and so many names, not just one. Notice the first name, Wonderful. In Hebrew, "Wonderful" means "Unknowable". If God's real name is "Yahweh" (which is knowable), then this prophecy is a lie and therefore Isaiah is a liar. Is Isaiah a false prophet Miles?

Please explain to all of us why this verse should be ignored and/or is wrong in some way.

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Thu 05/29/08 07:08 PM
Well all I can tell you is people have done all sorts of "human" things in the name of religion. You can add these to the list...secularism, humanism, new age, scientology & political correctness.

You talk about not liking living the letter of the law as most think the law is an a ss, what makes anyone think these man made ideologies are any better? They all miss the point....

It's called living FAITH. The Bible is God inspired writing & anyone can prove it by reading it & asking God to reveal it to them.

I'll take my chances with Faith any day.

BTW...I have to say that to lump all "religions" together is not practical & confuses the truth about God Himself. Look at the fruits of these "religions" & you can see for yourself the truth about God.

I always say that America was an experiment and guess what? It worked...one nation under God. Can you say that about those who live in the mid east?...(and NO! I don't think that witchcraft & paganisms are equal to the good Lord Jesus Chirst & the God of the Bible.) To lump everything together just marginalizes God Himself.

Seek ye first....

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 06/08/08 05:08 PM
Thier is only 1 name the rest are attributes. Like Yahshalom.. Yahweh's Peace.


Isaiah 9:6
QUOTE:
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Wow...Jesus is the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father...and so many names, not just one. Notice the first name, Wonderful. In Hebrew, "Wonderful" means "Unknowable". If God's real name is "Yahweh" (which is knowable), then this prophecy is a lie and therefore Isaiah is a liar. Is Isaiah a false prophet Miles?

Please explain to all of us why this verse should be ignored and/or is wrong in some way.


You are rambunctious today aren't we. If u want to see what that scripture saying i will do my best for u.
Spider
1st lets see if all that seems fits..

Zech 14:9
And Yahweh shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be —
"Yahweh is one ,"
And His name one.
NKJV

Here Spider we have Yahshua being King over the whole Earth.

Now I know you will like this as this is talking about wonderful and how it has been translated. You r right it's a hard word.


MARVELOUS

TO BE MARVELOUS


A. Verb.


pala' OT:6381, "to be marvelous, be extraordinary, be beyond one's power to do, do wonderful acts." As can be seen from the suggested meanings, this verb is not easy to define. As a denominative verb, it is based on the noun for "wonder, marvel," so it expresses the idea of doing or making a wondrous thing. Found in both biblical and modern Hebrew, pala' occurs some 70 times in the Hebrew Old Testament. The verb is found for the first time in Gen 18:14: "Is any thing too hard for the Lord?"

Pala' is used primarily with God as its subject, expressing actions that are beyond the bounds of human powers or expectations. This idea is well expressed by the psalmist: "This is the Lord's doing; it is marvelous in our eyes" Ps 118:23. Deliverance from Egypt was the result of God's wondrous acts: "And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in [it]..." Ex 3:20. Praise is constantly due God for all His wonderful deeds Ps 9:1. At the same time, God does not require anything of His people that is too hard for them Deut 30:11. Although something may appear impossible to man, it still is within God's power: "If it be marvelous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvelous in mine eyes? saith the Lord of hosts" Zech 8:6.

B. Noun.


pele' OT:6382, "wonder; marvel." This noun frequently expresses the "wonder," the extraordinary aspects, of God's dealings with His people Ex 15:11; Ps 77:11; Isa 29:14. The messianic title, "marvel of a counselor" Isa 9:6 ; KJV, RSV, "wonderful counselor", points toward God's Anointed continuing the marvelous acts of God.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

Now here Spider is the rendition of that verse in the context that it was made to be. Not saying these are his names at all. But that Yahweh his father would call him this his son.. The attributes his son has. Youngs does it much more justice than the other versions. Why? Because he translates it as the Hebrew flow is not as tradition has always said it to be. Like Easter being in the KJV.. Why? Again Tradition of the fathers wanted it their not that it was.

Isa 9:6-7

6 For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And (He) ( just who is this HE that calls him this) doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty El Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.

7 To the increase of the princely power, And of peace, there is no end, On the throne of David, and on his kingdom, To establish it, and to support it, In judgment and in righteousness, Henceforth, even unto the age, The zeal of Yahweh of Hosts doth this.
YLT

Blessings of Shalom…Miles

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