This was acquired via an FOIA request and it's angering, disturbing and frightening.

This website has the entire audio recording,

http://jfxgillis.newsvine.com/_news/2008/05/12/1482373-correctly-political-liquid-lunch-with-donald-rumsfeld



Before I start going off, I'd like to give others the chance to listen to what Rumsfeld thinks about Americans and what needs to happen to restore "faith" in the Neocons plans.


Tonight... Then I'll tee off on the Neocon warcriminal.

He should be in prison

For what?

wow.

thanks for posting it.

what a traitor.

I couldn't understand what was being said most of the clips. What was the big deal? And I don't mean that in the *gasp* he just said what's the big deal. I'm asking seriously I couldn't understand it. There was too much other noise. And it wasn't just a continuous tape so things might have been taken out of context. Media people do that a lot.

I am a red blood conservative, always have been and always will be. But I can't trust nearly ANYONE in washington. Our president (though to my shame I tried to take up for him most of the time) is a lieing backstabber. And most of the people I was able to put my trust in threw it back in my face. I don't like republicans and I don't like democrats they are all a bunch of snakes to me. This year I'm gonna have to do a write in on the -presidential ballot-! Just to make sure my vote is for someone of moral character!!!

read the transcripts

i must refrain from comment


not strong enough evidence to go ever way

anyone can make an audio tape

I did read the things off to the side if that's what you mean I didn't see any word for word transcripts. But I noticed that some of that was taken out of context.

I think it would have to be a continuous tape for any one to be able to say anything. Context is KEY if I said a sentance and quoted certain things and some of it was take out of context one could certainly have me say some things I didn't mean at all.

Yeah, some of the sound quality is poor, but I didn't have any trouble hearing them talk about how, in order to regain support for their plans, we would need another 9/11 attack:

Rumsfeld agrees that the psychological impact of 9/11 is wearing off and the "behavior pattern" of citizens in both the U.S. and Europe suggests that they are unconcerned about the threat of terror.

DELONG: Politically, what are the challenges because you're not going to have a lot of sympathetic ears up there until it [a terror attack] happens.

RUMSFELD: That's what I was just going to say. This President's pretty much a victim of success. We haven't had an attack in five years. The perception of the threat is so low in this society that it's not surprising that the behavior pattern reflects a low threat assessment. The same thing's in Europe, there's a low threat perception. The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack. And when that happens, then everyone gets energized for another [inaudible] and it's a shame we don't have the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats...the lethality, the carnage, that can be imposed on our society is so real and so present and so serious that you'd think we'd be able to understand it, but as a society, the longer you get away from 9/11, the less...the less...


I didn't have any trouble hearing him say that Americans are: Weak-willed, immature, that we've forgotten what happened on 9/11 and consequently put the Dems in as majority in Congress... or that the correction for these things is: Another Attack.

You wonder why the 9/11 truthers are out there shouting their little slogan at the tops of their lungs?


I'm a Fiscal Conservative in my own right, but there is nothing that will make me defend these sick preemptive war policies or the facsist ones that seem to take presidence in this Administration. The Neoconservatives have taken our Conservative party and turned it into a scary, disgusting joke. There's nothing conservative about what these people do. As far as why he should be in prison, he was part of the 900+ lies leading up to war, he helped to create the torture/rendition program violating the Geneva convention, along with other internnational laws, nevermind that when you do things like this you're setting the rules of engagement, which means now that other nations can do this to our men and women and if we don't prosecute the criminals on our end, then no one else will be facing the Hague either.


This was recieved after filing a FOIA, so I gonna guess and say it's not somebody playing with a mixer. As far as the sound, I have 5.1 digital on my CPU, I think that might be why I didn't have any problems hearing the scumbags.

well if that is the issue he is stating fact

now if you had him planning an attack you would have something

(not saying they did not plan the first one)

put that statement is just the truth like it or not

It bugs me this way- The Neocons have written repeatedly about using terror attacks to push their agenda's, calling for a "new pearl harbor" to polarize the Nationalism of the citizenry to get behind their ideals. Then 9/11 happened.

Now they are talking about needing a new 9/11 to do the same thing and not just Rumsfeld.

Now whether or not 9/11 was a false flag event remains to be seen, as far as my digging into it goes, but we can prove very easily that Governments throughout history, including our own, have used false flag events to push political agendas.

See the Reichstagg fire, the Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods... on and on we could go.

Terrorism, true terrorism, is a small threat, especially here. You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning, killed by a dog, killed in a car wreck or killed while being mugged than you do of being killed by terrorism.

Nevermind the fact that a solid chunk of the policies that are active right now are recruiting tools for the terrorist organizations that are out there.

When the Neocons policies fail,over and over again and they get busted lying, thats what leads Americans to back away from supporting them, not because we're lazy, immature and I adamantly refuse to believe that Americans have forgotten about 9/11. Even if we wanted to the t.v. and newspapers wouldn't let us, I hear 9/11 used for one thing or another at least once a day.

Now, are some Americans lazy? yep. Are some Americans immature? Yep. However, It's the fact that Neocons have lead this nation into the toilet that makes us not want their leadership anymore, (some of us didn't want it in the first place)it has nothing to do with those other things.

We're seeing this push for war with Iran and the American public at large is totally against it, but what do you think will happen if a bomb goes off in the Sears tower and within minutes it's being blamed on Iranian Revolutionary Guard?

I guess I just don't trust them and see this as a warning. The Neocons have no regard for humanity and have no qualms about lying to get what they want, no matter the costs in guns and butter, because for the Globalists, the ends justify the means.

i hope you are as appreciated in these forums as the information is by me!

i knew of these tapes awhile ago...actually i have been posting these things for over 4 years...till it made me highly unpopular...now i just sit back and say i told ya so.... no one listens...


all we can do is put our own actions into the mix...take risks, get involved, spread the information...
i don't even remember how many times i have been arrested and violated for protesting against that government.... i left.

now i do the work from a vantage point where i will be successful..more successful anyway....
it feels like a cop out to me but i had to follow some protocols or once again i was going to be a dead messenger!!! lol
ignorance is the cause of all suffering

Big props!
I have to speak up, if I feel something is wrong/evil, even though the day may come that all of this is used to end my freedom... or worse.

me too...... but it has many occupational hazzards...lmao


keep it up!!! lmao.... and enjoy!

and anyone who says it's too late well poop on them....


it becomes galling when you realize how many of these people take themselves and their brainwashed ideas seriously...


scary america.


and then how about we make ourselves HUGELY UNPOPULAR and open the subject of military brainwashing and bootcamp and PTSD and what these boys coming home infected will do to their children and lovers....get me going!!!!!!

Since I can't claim to be totally informed on the subjects you just mentioned, why don't you start a nice new thread and hit me with what you got!

because i will be quickly deleted.....in fact i must already be on borrowed time....


i so needed to have some distraction and comic relief

many many peole here on this site are dear friends of mine for almost 4 years now...we've been thru alot together.... i am in Niger...on a satcom. in the middle of a horriffic epidemic.... i need to have this opportunity to spill some of my self... to water the garden of my freindships...to let peple know what the media keeps completely hidden....to touch hearts with those i love..here we find ourselves easily, emailing seems to get waylaid sometimes lost even....this medium does not crash my computer and skype does here and so does msn....this is my lifeline....


lucky for me i have been tagged the cockroach....niet for nix!!!

In that case, I will continue to try to speak truth, if I say something and I find out later I was wrong, I'll jump back up on my soap box and retract it and Hopefully I'll provide some good information to all the people here, including yourself, who regardless of political affiliations and belief systems all care about this Nation!

Stay safe and I'll have a little chat with God, as I know him, about keeping you protected from harm.