it is very close at least

when they start using the patriot act on the people

it will be even worse

after all the gov of new york is probably a terrorist his phone needs tapped (ooooppppsss guess they are already using it against the people)


yes sickening everyone that was invoved in passing patriot act should be tried for treason and shot if/when found guilty

Thats probably where I got the idea from. Reading the writings of the founders is something that should be done in High School. Forget doing a book report on Shakespeare. Do a book report on Federalist Papers or the writings of Ben Franklin.

exactly

but the govt does not want the ""people"" thinking like that


the govt wants to be king

so they are changing the curriculum a little at a time

So, I'm not the only one using the Facsist word when describing what we are becoming. Thats also good to know... well, not good... but at least I know I'm not just imagining things.

I like to think that when the Patriot act passed, there was a group of old Germans sitting around going "Jah, das ist gut." Fatherland, sorry I mean Homeland Security is definately a problem organization that should be removed from existance.

Of course I've been watching the powers of the police state grow every year in this country. Most people don't recognize it as such, but we do have a large military organization on the ground in every city. Oh they wear blue, and have shields, but they are military, and rarely have to suffer any penalty when they go out of line (see unarmed dead groom with 55 gun shot wounds in NY). This will get a lot of bad responses, but I'm saying it anyway... Stop Fascism, kill a cop.

WOW... Umm... Not all cops are bad. Tyranny does come to the door in a uniform, but I cannot in good conscious advocate preemptive violence. Whats done in self defense however...

After they've locked us in Quantanimo for writing this thread, are you going to feel the same way?

The tree of liberty must often be refreshed with theblood of tyrants and patriots.

the wearing of the uniform does not a tyrant make

but the advocating of death for no apparent reason does

Well, I sure won't be buying my captors a christmas card anytime soon, but I won't violate my principles unless it's absolutely necessary.



"The tree of liberty must often be refreshed with theblood of tyrants and patriots."

So true...sad, a little frightening considering current events, but true.

Ah this is true, but do we not always have to go through the foot soldiers to remove a tyrant from power? In our society, assassination will not remove the tyrants from power, just change the current tyrant.

Apparently you've never had a "kick warrent" served before. It leaves a mess, and they don't even have to serve the damn thing. Plus when they find nothing, you have no recourse. If this does not describe the abuse of authority, I'm not certain what a definition would be.

No knocks warrants are as sure a violation of the 4th amendment as "free speech zones" are a violation of the 1st.