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Topic: Who is God to You?
Lance1205 Joined Mon 05/05/08 Posts: 212	Thu 05/08/08 10:38 AM
No one knows for sure . Let the guessing continue . How can something starting from nothing create all this universe and beyond ?. If you think you know ; you are kidding yourself and others . If you take the beginning of life from zero and keep on going forward ;Who created the one or ones starting from zero ?. Religions and other theories make no sense in this regard . How did the universe come in to being in your opinion?

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Thu 05/08/08 12:57 PM
No one knows for sure . Let the guessing continue . How can something starting from nothing create all this universe and beyond ?. If you think you know ; you are kidding yourself and others . If you take the beginning of life from zero and keep on going forward ;Who created the one or ones starting from zero ?. Religions and other theories make no sense in this regard . How did the universe come in to being in your opinion? I wish I know but I just do not know !. !.

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Thu 05/08/08 01:03 PM Edited by sam53 on Thu 05/08/08 01:05 PM
My God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but will have eternal life. Have you asked him into your life? Do you know him? It is your right to keep on dreaming !. No proof or evidence whatsoever from your part . Why do you feel the need to attack someone else's belief? This post is not about debate but people expressing their belief. Is that too complicated for your understanding too? LOL I guess you won't be happy unless you are turning everything into your personal arguement. How sad is that... Talk is cheap and mythology and religious nonsense irritate me with no end . You keep on dreaming too : it is your right . It is my right to reply !. A forum is a public place and everyone has an opinion and I do not have to agree with contradictions and no proof and no evidence : very clear and very simple !. Why would you even want to enter a place of irritation? This is a public forum where ideas get coming and going . We learn much from our discussion although we can not agree all the time . But to pretend to know such a complex issue is lying to one's self and to others .

ddn122 Joined Mon 11/05/07 Posts: 12855	Thu 05/08/08 01:05 PM
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Lance1205 Joined Mon 05/05/08 Posts: 212	Thu 05/08/08 01:24 PM Edited by Lance1205 on Thu 05/08/08 01:25 PM
"""""I wish I know but I just do not know !"""""" """"""This is a public forum where ideas get coming and going . We learn much from our discussion although we can not agree all the time . But to pretend to know such a complex issue is lying to one's self and to others ."""" So you don't know how the universe came into being but people who claim they do you call wrong? If you don't know; what if they are right?

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Thu 05/08/08 02:24 PM
"""""I wish I know but I just do not know !"""""" """"""This is a public forum where ideas get coming and going . We learn much from our discussion although we can not agree all the time . But to pretend to know such a complex issue is lying to one's self and to others ."""" So you don't know how the universe came into being but people who claim they do you call wrong? If you don't know; what if they are right? I follow logic and science and when something is absurd it just does not make sense .

Quikstepper Joined Mon 04/28/08 Posts: 2998	Thu 05/08/08 02:51 PM
My God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but will have eternal life. Have you asked him into your life? Do you know him? It is your right to keep on dreaming !. No proof or evidence whatsoever from your part . Why do you feel the need to attack someone else's belief? This post is not about debate but people expressing their belief. Is that too complicated for your understanding too? LOL I guess you won't be happy unless you are turning everything into your personal arguement. How sad is that... Talk is cheap and mythology and religious nonsense irritate me with no end . You keep on dreaming too : it is your right . It is my right to reply !. A forum is a public place and everyone has an opinion and I do not have to agree with contradictions and no proof and no evidence : very clear and very simple !. Why would you even want to enter a place of irritation? It's what miserable human beings do. LOL

Quikstepper Joined Mon 04/28/08 Posts: 2998	Thu 05/08/08 02:53 PM Edited by Quikstepper on Thu 05/08/08 02:57 PM
My God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but will have eternal life. Have you asked him into your life? Do you know him? My point is not everything has to be an arguement. However, absent faith that's probly the best some can do. That's sad... It is your right to keep on dreaming !. No proof or evidence whatsoever from your part . Why do you feel the need to attack someone else's belief? This post is not about debate but people expressing their belief. Is that too complicated for your understanding too? LOL I guess you won't be happy unless you are turning everything into your personal arguement. How sad is that... Talk is cheap and mythology and religious nonsense irritate me with no end . You keep on dreaming too : it is your right . It is my right to reply !. A forum is a public place and everyone has an opinion and I do not have to agree with contradictions and no proof and no evidence : very clear and very simple !. Why would you even want to enter a place of irritation? This is a public forum where ideas get coming and going . We learn much from our discussion although we can not agree all the time . But to pretend to know such a complex issue is lying to one's self and to others . My point being that those like you just want to argue, and you point fingers at those who anger you with their simple faith. That's pathetic. I'm glad you are admitting your true intentions...that is to be contentious.

Lance1205 Joined Mon 05/05/08 Posts: 212	Fri 05/09/08 04:37 AM
"""""I wish I know but I just do not know !"""""" """"""This is a public forum where ideas get coming and going . We learn much from our discussion although we can not agree all the time . But to pretend to know such a complex issue is lying to one's self and to others ."""" So you don't know how the universe came into being but people who claim they do you call wrong? If you don't know; what if they are right? I follow logic and science and when something is absurd it just does not make sense . So the universe poping into existance somehow makes sense. But a God creating it doesn't? I follow much logic. And it is NOT logical for me to believe that the universe existed BEFORE it existed and then went boom. Regaurdless of how it happend something had to MAKE the first part of that. It is the only LOGICAL explination even many MANY scientist have fallen down on the theory of Intellegent Design. Now many of them may disagree with the Designer but nevertheless they do say something had to make it. It's very logical.

Lance1205 Joined Mon 05/05/08 Posts: 212	Fri 05/09/08 04:43 AM
You sound like someone who has some sense so I'm not going to go into a all out internet argument with you. I do respect your opinion, I was just curious of your thoughts behind your belief is all. Thanks for your insite man.

isaac_dede Joined Sat 11/24/07 Posts: 10632	Fri 05/09/08 04:54 AM
First i'll say this topic was started as a simple question...who is God to you..the poster even put that he would respect everyone's opinions irrevalent of what they beleive. But it always turns into a religious debate about who is right who is wrong. Grow up people, there are different religions in the world, we are called to love each other not attack each others faith. If your a true christian it should shine through in your life and trust me people WILL be drawn to you..even though they don't understand it. Your job is to do nothing but love them. God will do the rest. But that is my belief. I have reasons for believing it and i'll share if someone asks..but i'm not going to attack them...or get upset when they attack me. Everyone has a right to their own faith. Whatever they believe. Ok, now anyways back to the topic... God to me is strength, love, kindness, He's that little voice telling me right from wrong, He's the creator, The everlasting, and my hope.

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Fri 05/09/08 03:59 PM
The issue of a creator or creators has been studied by many scientists ,philosophers ,ordinary people ....etc and they came with a bunch of unreasonable answers and full of contradictions . My point is no one knows because it is beyond human knowledge . I keep asking : how something starting from zero (nothing )can create this universe and beyond ?. It is a question that can not be answered by physics ,chemistry , engineering ,math...etc. So I see religion as a no answer to a very complicated issue . Religion is a primitive thinking based on solving some human problems at the time . People who came with religions were using horses ,donkeys ,tents ...and a primitive kind of life . I believe in science ,logic ,proof and evidence and all religions and there are thousands of them are full of contradictions and rubbish to say the least . I see myself as a humanist who cares about humanity regardless to creed ,religion ,colour and I continue seeking the truth . Religions have no truth in them . I do not wish to annoy or upset anyone but this is a public forum and these are my thoughts . Religion is a word where people talk forever without giving one proof ,one evidence and one logic . Just like parrots ,they keep going and going forever with no fact at all . Who created whom from point zero ( nothing ) until today is not as easy as many think . Add to that the fact that the universe is huge ,huge ,and huge indeed !.

isaac_dede Joined Sat 11/24/07 Posts: 10632	Sat 05/10/08 02:00 AM
Yes i agree the issue of a creator has been studeied by many people as well. But Using the same logic you are using you could say the same thing about the world...how can something...from nothing...just make itself? your right it is beyond our understanding. But there is one thing i would like to point point out...you say "religions have no truth in them" So i will ask you do you think...whether he was a prophet, an ordinary man, or even the Son of God that a man named Jesus existed ever? because if you answer yes i can give you some of the facts that you might seek. I was the same as you for a long time. So i'll issue you a challenge if you are brave enough to accept. There is a book out called the "Case for Christ" it presents facts..such as how many manuscripts you need to find for a book to be considered actual history..and things like that. I challenge you to read it. I have and it helped me on many issues. Oh and by the way it takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to beleive in a creator. The mathematical odds of evolution actually happening are the same as if you covered the entire state of texas 3 feet deep with quarters, marked only one, then randomly dropped a blind man off somewhere in the state. He has the same odds picking that marked quarter up on the FIRST try, that evolution has of happening. Yes it is possible...but that's a WHOLE lot of faith. IMHO

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Sat 05/10/08 03:09 AM
Yes i agree the issue of a creator has been studeied by many people as well. But Using the same logic you are using you could say the same thing about the world...how can something...from nothing...just make itself? your right it is beyond our understanding. But there is one thing i would like to point point out...you say "religions have no truth in them" So i will ask you do you think...whether he was a prophet, an ordinary man, or even the Son of God that a man named Jesus existed ever? because if you answer yes i can give you some of the facts that you might seek. I was the same as you for a long time. So i'll issue you a challenge if you are brave enough to accept. There is a book out called the "Case for Christ" it presents facts..such as how many manuscripts you need to find for a book to be considered actual history..and things like that. I challenge you to read it. I have and it helped me on many issues. Oh and by the way it takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to beleive in a creator. The mathematical odds of evolution actually happening are the same as if you covered the entire state of texas 3 feet deep with quarters, marked only one, then randomly dropped a blind man off somewhere in the state. He has the same odds picking that marked quarter up on the FIRST try, that evolution has of happening. Yes it is possible...but that's a WHOLE lot of faith. IMHO Yes ,the man existed but he was no prophet and no son of a god !. He eat ,drunk , went to the washroom ; had a penis and a rectum .Just a human being like you and I . .

isaac_dede Joined Sat 11/24/07 Posts: 10632	Sat 05/10/08 03:34 AM
Yes i agree the issue of a creator has been studeied by many people as well. But Using the same logic you are using you could say the same thing about the world...how can something...from nothing...just make itself? your right it is beyond our understanding. But there is one thing i would like to point point out...you say "religions have no truth in them" So i will ask you do you think...whether he was a prophet, an ordinary man, or even the Son of God that a man named Jesus existed ever? because if you answer yes i can give you some of the facts that you might seek. I was the same as you for a long time. So i'll issue you a challenge if you are brave enough to accept. There is a book out called the "Case for Christ" it presents facts..such as how many manuscripts you need to find for a book to be considered actual history..and things like that. I challenge you to read it. I have and it helped me on many issues. Oh and by the way it takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to beleive in a creator. The mathematical odds of evolution actually happening are the same as if you covered the entire state of texas 3 feet deep with quarters, marked only one, then randomly dropped a blind man off somewhere in the state. He has the same odds picking that marked quarter up on the FIRST try, that evolution has of happening. Yes it is possible...but that's a WHOLE lot of faith. IMHO Yes ,the man existed but he was no prophet and no son of a god !. He eat ,drunk , went to the washroom ; had a penis and a rectum .Just a human being like you and I . . Ok, as i said earlier i don't like getting off topic, so if you want to continue this debate you can feel free to email me. But someone started this topic for one reason and i don't want to take that away from them out of respect for them. So once again...back to the topic God is my hope.

Quikstepper Joined Mon 04/28/08 Posts: 2998	Sat 05/10/08 05:12 AM
Ok, as i said earlier i don't like getting off topic, so if you want to continue this debate you can feel free to email me. But someone started this topic for one reason and i don't want to take that away from them out of respect for them. So once again...back to the topic God is my hope. I agree...I stated who God was to me & not one reply. Everyone else went into debate mode. It makes you wonder if people ever think about Who God is in relation to what He means to them & where do they form their ideas from...if not the Bible. Unless God is personalized to an individual all you will ever get is debate. I will state who God is to me...He is... My Loving Father... A friend who sticks closer than a brother... My Councilor... My Healer... My Restorer... My Savior... My Good Sheppard...He found me when I was lost... He is everything I need... He supplies my every need... He is the Lover of my soul... He is the strength of my heart... ...that's to name a few.... :)

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Sat 05/10/08 06:19 AM
A really good excuse to impose ones values on another. [/quote They find any excuse not to face reality . You either agree with them or they see you as a trouble : complete balony !. !.

hikerchick Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 13206	Sat 05/10/08 07:15 AM
Well growing up kel from kenan and kel use to be God to me taught me to love and respect orange soda I do I do I do I do I do-ooh love orange soda.

hikerchick Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 13206	Sat 05/10/08 07:17 AM Edited by hikerchick on Sat 05/10/08 07:17 AM
My God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but will have eternal life. Have you asked him into your life? Do you know him? It is your right to keep on dreaming !. No proof or evidence whatsoever from your part . Why do you feel the need to attack someone else's belief? This post is not about debate but people expressing their belief. Is that too complicated for your understanding too? LOL I guess you won't be happy unless you are turning everything into your personal arguement. How sad is that... Talk is cheap and mythology and religious nonsense irritate me with no end . You keep on dreaming too : it is your right . It is my right to reply !. A forum is a public place and everyone has an opinion and I do not have to agree with contradictions and no proof and no evidence : very clear and very simple !. actually the forum rules prevent you from attacking another's religious beliefs. We are here to discuss; not to debate.

FearandLoathing Joined Fri 12/28/07 Posts: 30121	Sat 05/10/08 07:47 AM
I am God of me, I suffer from my decisions and I gain from some of those same decisions. I choose my path in life and I reap from the path I choose whether it be right or wrong, I choose to take a left or a right or continue straight. Nothing else does.