i am growing melons..

That might work for you ( for a while) but won't work for let's say a 6 million people city with the need of doctors, schools hospitals and transport.
You can't go back in time.

I like melons.....

Oh,,,you mean the vegetable....

One day our town lost its electricity. Within 15 minutes, it was impossible to purchase a gallon of milk because not only had all the back up generators run out of juice, there were nothing but bar codes on the products. Cash registers will not open.

You can't buy a loaf of bread.

What on earth would happen if we lost electricity for a week? I don't want to think about it.

Value of the dollar is going down, and prices are going up up up. The electric bill this month was close to $500.00.

I recently bought a book on how to live off the grid. My sister is the brains of that project and her hubby is the one who will build the windmill and solar panels. He is a welder. We plan to combine the two homes and set up our own electric power plant to operate both places.

We will grow our own garden and I want to set up a year round greenhouse of some type. We have very little money to accomplish this, but a lot of scrap and a lot of talent and good ideas.

I just hope the country holds together long enough. Our town has its own wind mill that supplies half of the town's electricity. We have a lot of work to do and damn, we are getting up there in age. But we are going to give it a shot.

JB

yeah cantalope and watermelon ...

Oh it can work for the entire world, every last single person, if enough people want it to work. And yes you CAN "go back in time". If you don't believe me on this, just keep watching and see what happens within ten years (uneducated guess on timeline). The entire country is going to be forced to go back in time, so to speak and when that happens, god help us, there very well may be anarchy. I can garuntee there will be martial law, in most of the United States.

You are definitely correct it CAN work.

However, you have to take into consideration, at least in this case, the now "American mentality" (now let me clarify before anyone get's thier panties in a wad and thinks this if flaming anyone..its NOT, its just pure fact and is NOT meant in a harmful way..just a FACTUAL way)

The now "American mentaily" is basically self centered, self serving and very little thinking "outside the box" they have been conditioned and trained to FOLLOW, just like cattle in a sense. they have no true legitimate concept anymore of "unity", "loyalty", "community", "selflessness" and many more bad traits.

People can argue all they want how this might not be true. but as I always say, "the proof is in the pudding", meaning my evidence to support my statements is exactly what you see in America now and its own downfall caused by its own people. No one can argue with the results we are clearly seeing now in America.

So that is why you will have the majority of people that will say your ideas will "not work". When even in a city (in which I live) a person can do a LOT to cut down on dependency of all sorts of resources. All a person has to do is try.

Again I have already done a lot and honestly it was not very difficult at all. So you have many good things to look forward to. It can be done and is being done. So don;t let anyone tell you any different.

A little illustration of how a society can work. I can;t remember all the details of the project, so this will be paraphrased...but the point should be clear.

Over in southeast Asia there was a project going on, but due to the jungles and equipment limitations, they were needing to get some enourmous amount of stones moved through the jungle about 12 miles to the other side to build a bridge for a community.

They studied and planned and tried thinking of how they could move all these stones )each about 4 lbs each, across 12 miles of heavy jungle After looking at all the plans they toiled because they said it would take 8 months just to clear an equipment path then having to spend umteen thousands of dollars to for the equipment just to haukl about 100,000 os these stones across 12 miles of heavy jungle.

When they put the plan in front of the mayor (or leader type) of the town, he said "Oh no, thats way too complex and expensive..why did you choose that?" The American engineers answed "thats the most efficient way we could think of". The mayor replied.. "hmmm..watch this".

The mayor went to the city square and rang the big town bell and all the town people came to see what was going on. The mayor explained to the town people what was going on and what needed to be done. So all the towns people (about 50,000) went to the riverbed and picked up 2 stones each, then walked the path thru the jungle for the 12 miles.

What would have taken the American engineers close to a year and great expense, was done in less than a half a day at no cost at all.

DO YOU SEE THE POINT AMERICA!!!!?????

I am in Wisconsin.

Whatever.

Daniel,

When you and your children move to no man's land, who are they going to play with? Who are they going to have social interaction with? I am just curious.

Also, I am surprised that they get their mom's disability money when they are not her dependents.

I can't afford to be self-sufficient.

until you can make homemade soft toilet paper i will remain insufficient.

Touche.

just very awesome dude

quick i hear they are selling underground bunkers at home depot..run before its to late!!

Corn cobs wont get it aye cute??

Ohhh, Fanta.

OOOoooooooohhhhhhhhhh winx

the money fro mteh social security surprised me too, but I verified everythign with the local office, and they do in fact qualify for it. Something to do with survivors benefits (dont ask me to explain cause I can't, lol). So, hey I am not going to complain. The money that they will eventually get from the army/va is due to the fact that she wqas disabled and is her biological mother. You could have custody of both of tehm, and neither of us anythign to do with them, and the children would still receive it.