even though me2 and I are usually on opposite sides of the political fields...i have to agree with him on this

huh - and you hate liars. And OP is trying to help someone cheat on a drug test.

Doesn't seem like you.

But you and I can always agree to disagree because you are not a rabid maniac.

And I love you.

hiker...you know i love ya and you know how i debate.

what lie are you referring to???? i missed something

people are going to cheat if they want to...they will eventually get caught though. you would have to shave your entire body (not just head) to get out of a hair test...and then people will just point and laugh lol...

OP wanted to find ways to help "a friend" cheat on a pre-employment drug test. I felt that was just wrong and stated so; which pissed off several people.

I stand by my words. I don't care for people with no integrity. If that hurts their feelings, I am sorry.

no integrity?? have you gone back and read some of your own posts?

where in my posts did I advocate lying or cheating on a drug test?

Please show me where I have advocated lying of any kind in my posts. I may have a lot of faults but one of them is brutal honesty. I am not a fan of lying to get what you want, which is what the OP is trying to do. Please- show me where I lack integrity.

if someone wants to lie and cheat...then they have to live with it and karma will come around. if someone does cheat...then it will catch up to them as well.

i agree that alcohol is actually worse than pot (even though i don't smoke it). it impairs you more

i guess i'm still missing the heated problem here

Me too. I thought it was ok for me to express my opinion but both OP and me2g got upset with me for it.

I feel like I am being attacked here.

I am still waiting for evidence of my lack of integrity.


**crickets**

i think it goes both ways...JMO

When they do a hair test...they can detect drugs for up to 3 months...So I'd say he's sunk....

I would like anyone to show me a post of mine which indicates a lack of integrity.

native...i heard it was more than that...but i have been wrong before lol

i do know shaving the head doesn't work because that isn't the only hair on the body

It could be up to 6 but I know it's for a long time...that's why they do it that way...

lol which is why i have been worried about doing it...don't want to get caught lol...and they WILL get caught at some point. wanna hear something messed up about pot??? i knew a woman (use the term loosely) that was 49 with a 9 yr old girl. she was flakey sober...but add pot and God forbid and pot AND alcohol...and she is the twilight zone. she didn't see anything wrong with smoking a joint with SOMEONE ELSES 15 yr old girl or giving that girl left over roaches. on what planet is this ok????? plus she thinks her daughter doesn't know she smokes...when the smell reeks of it. she says she doesn't know what that smell is. my son was taught these things in a drug prevention part of a class around that age

You need medication ... bipolar much ...?
you know if it was me and i did this for myself i could accept the BS your throwing at me .. but as I stated before I dont do it but I still believe that its should be legal it would help alot of people that suffer ... but why do you care .. as I look up to you on your podium I have to wonder when did i leave american ? What happend to freedom of speech , why did my grandfather and my father and all my uncles put thier life on the line ?
Im not going to lower myself and get into a heated arguement with stars from deliverence .
Why dont you crack a beer or two jump in your car and go gang stalk some innocent victom to get the power fix you need to get out of bed in the morning ...
<<<<<<<<<<<< WALKS OUT , SLAMS THE DOOR ... LATER
to all thye others that have defended me
Thank You ...

who was that rant directed at?

The other people who posted here live in "American" too; so they have rights to speak as well as you do; or did I miss something?


And if you were talking to me, sorry, I don't drink beer. It kills brain cells. It's gonna have to be an Evian water, OK?

And while I commented on whether or not a particular action is lacking in integrity; you have chosen to make a personal attack.

You have already been lowered; sorry.

Drug testing is meant to catch those who are habitual users not one-time users. They do not test for the drugs but chemical traces. Those traces are naturally occuring and is why they can not catch the one-time drug user. They look abnormal spikes.

My opinion:
1. We all have our own opinions and should respect one another.

2. If he is driving a school bus then I can see why people are so upset about this thread. This person is going for a sales position. There are no lives at stake. He either performs at his job or he is terminated.

3. Many people including myself feel drug testing at this level is wrong. There are no lives in danger only commercial profit at stake. Which is more important your privacy or a businesses cash flow? If we take it for granted this type of testing is fine what's going to be next? No search warrants because there is a chemical odor leaving your house? Where do we draw the line and say enough is enough?

When smoking drugs becomes legal.