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Abracadabra, Does your god have any laws for us to obey? Why? Is there something you'd like to do that you refrain from doing only because your God has a law against it? I don't look to religion for moral values. I never have. I automatically satisfy the laws of the Bible just by being who I am. It wouldn’t matter if they had never been written. The whole sin and salvation thing is entirely moot to me. My life isn’t based on sin and salvation. If you need a God to keep you in line then you’re in pretty sad shape don't you think? That’s all I can say about that. we keep ourselves in line. Just because we believe to follow a "Higher entity" and authority level in our lives seems to mean we screw up less. We think things through before doing something....no reckless abandon attitude......you on the other hand seem to have a low level problem with authority and just don't like to follow rules......rebels usually go to hell I would imagine eventually because of so many ill thought through decisions that you won't be able to take back once you die. Live it up here and fancy free...but if you have read the book you claim you can still follow then you also know what you REALLY are headed for....just denying it in your own head to get through...get by...until you will realize you had turned on him the whole way through and regret it at 40....50....60...if you even live long enough to see those days...with that attitude probably not...don't get me wrong...all are enetitled to their opinion......as well as you sir... woah woah woah.. where in his post did he ever say that he doesn't like to follow rules where you could draw the conclusion he is a rebel. He said that if the rules were never written it wouldn't have changed how he lives his life and views the world. I believe he said that he automatically satisfies the laws of the bible by who he is. He is not saying he just doesn't like to follow rules. He is saying that we shouldn't need an all powerful being looking over us with a checklist making sure we are being good little boys and girls. That we shouldn't just be good people because we are afraid of eternal damnation if we aren't. He is saying that we should be good and decent people because that's who we want to be. Not to appease some being. you should read his posts more in depth. |
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read this link and read the last book/chapter in the new testament "Revelations" and then tell me we are not there. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080415/wl_nm/iran_israel_dc;_ylt=AraYKOb0SUynW.jAb5tSy21Ar7sF please cut and paste this address into your browsers and really read it. Also read The Bible...book "Revelations" when finished reading that article.....you will believe. |
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Why am I not surprised that Abracadabra does not want his beliefs discussed. It's so much safer when you criticize another's beliefs and ignore any question about your own, huh James?
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"WHAT IS MADE REQUIRES A MAKER"
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Just to put in my two cents worth, the bible claims that Christ will return a generation after the refounding of Israel. That was over two generations ago. According to my father, the good reverand, I've been in the Last Days for almost 40 years now. If he's coming back, you can't predict it "no man knows the day or hour." If he isn't coming back, then your faith will serve you in heaven. So what is the point of debating when and if there is a return? Spend your life acting with Christ's love and compassion, and I guarentee you'll be seeing those you love in heavan (I probably won't be there, but if you can put in a good word).
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Edited by
IamMewhoRU
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Abracadabra, Does your god have any laws for us to obey? Why? Is there something you'd like to do that you refrain from doing only because your God has a law against it? I don't look to religion for moral values. I never have. I automatically satisfy the laws of the Bible just by being who I am. It wouldn’t matter if they had never been written. The whole sin and salvation thing is entirely moot to me. My life isn’t based on sin and salvation. If you need a God to keep you in line then you’re in pretty sad shape don't you think? That’s all I can say about that. we keep ourselves in line. Just because we believe to follow a "Higher entity" and authority level in our lives seems to mean we screw up less. We think things through before doing something....no reckless abandon attitude......you on the other hand seem to have a low level problem with authority and just don't like to follow rules......rebels usually go to hell I would imagine eventually because of so many ill thought through decisions that you won't be able to take back once you die. Live it up here and fancy free...but if you have read the book you claim you can still follow then you also know what you REALLY are headed for....just denying it in your own head to get through...get by...until you will realize you had turned on him the whole way through and regret it at 40....50....60...if you even live long enough to see those days...with that attitude probably not...don't get me wrong...all are enetitled to their opinion......as well as you sir... woah woah woah.. where in his post did he ever say that he doesn't like to follow rules where you could draw the conclusion he is a rebel. He said that if the rules were never written it wouldn't have changed how he lives his life and views the world. I believe he said that he automatically satisfies the laws of the bible by who he is. He is not saying he just doesn't like to follow rules. He is saying that we shouldn't need an all powerful being looking over us with a checklist making sure we are being good little boys and girls. That we shouldn't just be good people because we are afraid of eternal damnation if we aren't. He is saying that we should be good and decent people because that's who we want to be. Not to appease some being. you should read his posts more in depth. think about your comment and his....you basically are in agreement the guy is perfect then? No one lives their lives strict to the bible let alone if it was never written. Use your head man.....don't post crap...I don't need a book or leader either to know how to be or feel about right and wrong. But I'm not perfect either and hey genius.....the last perfect person who walked the planet got crucified for it. |
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woah woah woah.. where in his post did he ever say that he doesn't like to follow rules where you could draw the conclusion he is a rebel. He said that if the rules were never written it wouldn't have changed how he lives his life and views the world. I believe he said that he automatically satisfies the laws of the bible by who he is. He is not saying he just doesn't like to follow rules. He is saying that we shouldn't need an all powerful being looking over us with a checklist making sure we are being good little boys and girls. That we shouldn't just be good people because we are afraid of eternal damnation if we aren't. He is saying that we should be good and decent people because that's who we want to be. Not to appease some being. you should read his posts more in depth. Yes, but Abracadabra has his own interpretation of the laws of the bible, which contradict the literal words, the Jewish interpretation and the Christian interpretation. That's why he refused to answer my question, because he gets uncomfortable when he's confronted with the truth that nobody, not even the perfect Abracadabra, can keep the Law in the Bible. |
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Just to put in my two cents worth, the bible claims that Christ will return a generation after the refounding of Israel. That was over two generations ago. According to my father, the good reverand, I've been in the Last Days for almost 40 years now. If he's coming back, you can't predict it "no man knows the day or hour." If he isn't coming back, then your faith will serve you in heaven. So what is the point of debating when and if there is a return? Spend your life acting with Christ's love and compassion, and I guarentee you'll be seeing those you love in heavan (I probably won't be there, but if you can put in a good word). with wisdom like yours I'm suprised you won't be. ^5 |
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Abracadabra, Does your god have any laws for us to obey? Why? Is there something you'd like to do that you refrain from doing only because your God has a law against it? I don't look to religion for moral values. I never have. I automatically satisfy the laws of the Bible just by being who I am. It wouldn’t matter if they had never been written. The whole sin and salvation thing is entirely moot to me. My life isn’t based on sin and salvation. If you need a God to keep you in line then you’re in pretty sad shape don't you think? That’s all I can say about that. we keep ourselves in line. Just because we believe to follow a "Higher entity" and authority level in our lives seems to mean we screw up less. We think things through before doing something....no reckless abandon attitude......you on the other hand seem to have a low level problem with authority and just don't like to follow rules......rebels usually go to hell I would imagine eventually because of so many ill thought through decisions that you won't be able to take back once you die. Live it up here and fancy free...but if you have read the book you claim you can still follow then you also know what you REALLY are headed for....just denying it in your own head to get through...get by...until you will realize you had turned on him the whole way through and regret it at 40....50....60...if you even live long enough to see those days...with that attitude probably not...don't get me wrong...all are enetitled to their opinion......as well as you sir... woah woah woah.. where in his post did he ever say that he doesn't like to follow rules where you could draw the conclusion he is a rebel. He said that if the rules were never written it wouldn't have changed how he lives his life and views the world. I believe he said that he automatically satisfies the laws of the bible by who he is. He is not saying he just doesn't like to follow rules. He is saying that we shouldn't need an all powerful being looking over us with a checklist making sure we are being good little boys and girls. That we shouldn't just be good people because we are afraid of eternal damnation if we aren't. He is saying that we should be good and decent people because that's who we want to be. Not to appease some being. you should read his posts more in depth. think about your comment and his....you basically are in agreement the guy is perfect then? No one lives their lives strict to the bible let alone if it was never written. Use your head man.....don't post crap...I don't need a book or leader either to know how to be or feel about right and wrong. But I'm not perfect either and hey genius.....the last perfect person who walked the planet got crucified for it. No, I am not saying he is perfect and I don't believe that Abra is saying he is perfect either. I am saying that your argument against him was crap. You even said yourself in your first line. we keep ourselves in line. Just because we believe to follow a "Higher entity" and authority level in our lives seems to mean we screw up less. We think things through before doing something....no reckless abandon attitude Implying that if you didn't have a "Higher Entity" in your life you wouldn't think things through before you did them. What Abra is saying is he has the ability to know the difference between right and wrong without looking to some higher entity to see if it is okay. |
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woah woah woah.. where in his post did he ever say that he doesn't like to follow rules where you could draw the conclusion he is a rebel. He said that if the rules were never written it wouldn't have changed how he lives his life and views the world. I believe he said that he automatically satisfies the laws of the bible by who he is. He is not saying he just doesn't like to follow rules. He is saying that we shouldn't need an all powerful being looking over us with a checklist making sure we are being good little boys and girls. That we shouldn't just be good people because we are afraid of eternal damnation if we aren't. He is saying that we should be good and decent people because that's who we want to be. Not to appease some being. you should read his posts more in depth. Yes, but Abracadabra has his own interpretation of the laws of the bible, which contradict the literal words, the Jewish interpretation and the Christian interpretation. That's why he refused to answer my question, because he gets uncomfortable when he's confronted with the truth that nobody, not even the perfect Abracadabra, can keep the Law in the Bible. That could be Spider. I was interpreting what I heard him saying. What his true motives are I can't be sure of. I was more responding to the fact that Iamme was putting words in his mouth that clearly weren't there. |
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Abracadabra, Does your god have any laws for us to obey? Why? Is there something you'd like to do that you refrain from doing only because your God has a law against it? I don't look to religion for moral values. I never have. I automatically satisfy the laws of the Bible just by being who I am. It wouldn’t matter if they had never been written. The whole sin and salvation thing is entirely moot to me. My life isn’t based on sin and salvation. If you need a God to keep you in line then you’re in pretty sad shape don't you think? That’s all I can say about that. we keep ourselves in line. Just because we believe to follow a "Higher entity" and authority level in our lives seems to mean we screw up less. We think things through before doing something....no reckless abandon attitude......you on the other hand seem to have a low level problem with authority and just don't like to follow rules......rebels usually go to hell I would imagine eventually because of so many ill thought through decisions that you won't be able to take back once you die. Live it up here and fancy free...but if you have read the book you claim you can still follow then you also know what you REALLY are headed for....just denying it in your own head to get through...get by...until you will realize you had turned on him the whole way through and regret it at 40....50....60...if you even live long enough to see those days...with that attitude probably not...don't get me wrong...all are enetitled to their opinion......as well as you sir... woah woah woah.. where in his post did he ever say that he doesn't like to follow rules where you could draw the conclusion he is a rebel. He said that if the rules were never written it wouldn't have changed how he lives his life and views the world. I believe he said that he automatically satisfies the laws of the bible by who he is. He is not saying he just doesn't like to follow rules. He is saying that we shouldn't need an all powerful being looking over us with a checklist making sure we are being good little boys and girls. That we shouldn't just be good people because we are afraid of eternal damnation if we aren't. He is saying that we should be good and decent people because that's who we want to be. Not to appease some being. you should read his posts more in depth. think about your comment and his....you basically are in agreement the guy is perfect then? No one lives their lives strict to the bible let alone if it was never written. Use your head man.....don't post crap...I don't need a book or leader either to know how to be or feel about right and wrong. But I'm not perfect either and hey genius.....the last perfect person who walked the planet got crucified for it. No, I am not saying he is perfect and I don't believe that Abra is saying he is perfect either. I am saying that your argument against him was crap. You even said yourself in your first line. we keep ourselves in line. Just because we believe to follow a "Higher entity" and authority level in our lives seems to mean we screw up less. We think things through before doing something....no reckless abandon attitude Implying that if you didn't have a "Higher Entity" in your life you wouldn't think things through before you did them. What Abra is saying is he has the ability to know the difference between right and wrong without looking to some higher entity to see if it is okay. and thats the selfish non authority abiding attitude that gets you to hell....if he read the book. So how is he doing ok? Most of us who believe anyways would act the same I would imagine...I'm sure we might screw up more if we didn't think of the higher power before things as to what is right or wrong but we would still keep a moral compass even if he wasn't there. Thats bull**** and you know it. Your soul is emotions and thoughts making up who you are and this soul that is talked about so much....The higher authority thing goes out the window now don't it? we would still be the same making good decisions even if he wasn't there. A persons decisions are on there soul for this eternity stint passed life. Well, if your brain controls emotion,feelings,faith is one, and decision making skills....then I think it's pretty safe to say.....your arguement holds no ground. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 04/15/08 03:48 PM
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Just to put in my two cents worth, the bible claims that Christ will return a generation after the refounding of Israel. That was over two generations ago. According to my father, the good reverand, I've been in the Last Days for almost 40 years now. If he's coming back, you can't predict it "no man knows the day or hour." If he isn't coming back, then your faith will serve you in heaven. So what is the point of debating when and if there is a return? Spend your life acting with Christ's love and compassion, and I guarentee you'll be seeing those you love in heavan (I probably won't be there, but if you can put in a good word). 
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Just to put in my two cents worth, the bible claims that Christ will return a generation after the refounding of Israel. That was over two generations ago. According to my father, the good reverand, I've been in the Last Days for almost 40 years now. If he's coming back, you can't predict it "no man knows the day or hour." If he isn't coming back, then your faith will serve you in heaven. So what is the point of debating when and if there is a return? Spend your life acting with Christ's love and compassion, and I guarentee you'll be seeing those you love in heavan (I probably won't be there, but if you can put in a good word). Look closely my friend and read in the news about Israel.........The missing piece of the puzzle perhaps? |
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Abracadabra, Does your god have any laws for us to obey? Why? Is there something you'd like to do that you refrain from doing only because your God has a law against it? I don't look to religion for moral values. I never have. I automatically satisfy the laws of the Bible just by being who I am. It wouldn’t matter if they had never been written. The whole sin and salvation thing is entirely moot to me. My life isn’t based on sin and salvation. If you need a God to keep you in line then you’re in pretty sad shape don't you think? That’s all I can say about that. we keep ourselves in line. Just because we believe to follow a "Higher entity" and authority level in our lives seems to mean we screw up less. We think things through before doing something....no reckless abandon attitude......you on the other hand seem to have a low level problem with authority and just don't like to follow rules......rebels usually go to hell I would imagine eventually because of so many ill thought through decisions that you won't be able to take back once you die. Live it up here and fancy free...but if you have read the book you claim you can still follow then you also know what you REALLY are headed for....just denying it in your own head to get through...get by...until you will realize you had turned on him the whole way through and regret it at 40....50....60...if you even live long enough to see those days...with that attitude probably not...don't get me wrong...all are enetitled to their opinion......as well as you sir... woah woah woah.. where in his post did he ever say that he doesn't like to follow rules where you could draw the conclusion he is a rebel. He said that if the rules were never written it wouldn't have changed how he lives his life and views the world. I believe he said that he automatically satisfies the laws of the bible by who he is. He is not saying he just doesn't like to follow rules. He is saying that we shouldn't need an all powerful being looking over us with a checklist making sure we are being good little boys and girls. That we shouldn't just be good people because we are afraid of eternal damnation if we aren't. He is saying that we should be good and decent people because that's who we want to be. Not to appease some being. you should read his posts more in depth. think about your comment and his....you basically are in agreement the guy is perfect then? No one lives their lives strict to the bible let alone if it was never written. Use your head man.....don't post crap...I don't need a book or leader either to know how to be or feel about right and wrong. But I'm not perfect either and hey genius.....the last perfect person who walked the planet got crucified for it. No, I am not saying he is perfect and I don't believe that Abra is saying he is perfect either. I am saying that your argument against him was crap. You even said yourself in your first line. we keep ourselves in line. Just because we believe to follow a "Higher entity" and authority level in our lives seems to mean we screw up less. We think things through before doing something....no reckless abandon attitude Implying that if you didn't have a "Higher Entity" in your life you wouldn't think things through before you did them. What Abra is saying is he has the ability to know the difference between right and wrong without looking to some higher entity to see if it is okay. and thats the selfish non authority abiding attitude that gets you to hell....if he read the book. So how is he doing ok? Most of us who believe anyways would act the same I would imagine...I'm sure we might screw up more if we didn't think of the higher power before things as to what is right or wrong but we would still keep a moral compass even if he wasn't there. Thats bull**** and you know it. Your soul is emotions and thoughts making up who you are and this soul that is talked about so much....The higher authority thing goes out the window now don't it? we would still be the same making good decisions even if he wasn't there. A persons decisions are on there soul for this eternity stint passed life. Well, if your brain controls emotion,feelings,faith is one, and decision making skills....then I think it's pretty safe to say.....your arguement holds no ground. I can honestly say that I read that post 3 times and what you are saying makes absolutely no sense. I can't tell if it is too jumbled to make out what you are saying or if it's the fact that what are are talking about just makes no sense but I have no way to respond to that because I don't even know where to start. 
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Is that a yes or no? I think it's a no, is that correct? I'm wondering, if I wanted to worship your god, would there be any laws to obey? Could I steal? I know it would be illegal, but would it offend (for lack of a better word) your god? There are no need for laws if you truly understand the concept. Could you steal? If you steal from another you steal from yourself. Is that what you want to do? To truly understand the picture you need to give up the concept of an ego. Once you do that these kinds of questions become moot. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Just to comment on the background conversation about not being able to satisfy the biblical laws.
I only have two things to say about that… 1. Could someone show me where in the Bible God states “Thou shalt be perfect”? also,… 2. If the biblical laws are impossible to keep then the biblical God has unreasonable laws. If this is true then the biblical God has placed all of men in an impossible situation. He certainly can’t then blame men for not being able to keep his impossible laws. |
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ok maybe it aint exactly right but its close. Your brain controls everything. Its safe to say that weather we believe in a higher power or not your decisions are still the same...because we still beleive but we still sin because its human nature to do so...giving truth and weight to the crucifiction of Jesus. And the reasoning behind why it had to happen. He already knows we aen't going to always make the right decisions...otherwise he would not have given up his only son to give us the opprutunity at another option other than hell. He chose us...he coulda just let us all fry....but no..but yet I'm saying they (other people) choose to turn their backs on him...say they die sometime today....will he turn on them?
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Rathil_thads and abracadabra......
Thanks fer the debate. 
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but we still sin because its human nature to do so... Don’t forget, you get this from the same religious doctrine. You state it as a fact, but it just comes from the same book that’s trying to make you feel guilty. I don’t believe that its human nature to sin. I think that’s a lie. It’s human nature to be imperfect and make mistakes. But mistakes don’t equate to sin. Sin is willful disobedience of God. If you do something by accident is that a sin? Is it murder if you accidentally and innocently do something that causes someone to die? I don’t think so. Sin is not the action, it’s the intent behind the action. |
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Rathil_thads and abracadabra...... Thanks fer the debate. Thank you too. 
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