Topic: Billy Graham Column I
yashafox_F4X1's photo
Sun 03/30/08 06:01 PM
At the top of the Indy Star there's always a quote, "Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty." (2 Cor 3:17)

In the entertainment section each day, there's always a column by Billy Graham. It usually runs about 10 to 12 column inches, i.e. it's about five inches long by two columns wide.

I like to read his columns. He writes simply, the stuff is easy to understand and I usually get something from it or learn something from it.

Do you have his columns in the paper where you are at or do you have access to the Indy Star?

If you get a chance to see one of his columns, I'd urge you to take a look at them. I feel they are outstanding.

GS

yzrabbit1's photo
Sun 03/30/08 06:30 PM


...In 1972, Graham agreed with Nixon that our nation's problems lie with the satanic Jews. Both accused Jews of dominating the media, one of the oldest anti-Jewish canards. Graham went on to blame Jews for putting out pornographic stuff. He told Nixon that the Jewish stranglehold has to be broken or the country will go down the drain. He admitted to Nixon that Jews do not really know his true feelings about them....


http://www.beth-elsa.org/be_s0419a.htm

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Sun 03/30/08 06:38 PM
Edited by Zapchaser on Sun 03/30/08 06:40 PM



...In 1972, Graham agreed with Nixon that our nation's problems lie with the satanic Jews. Both accused Jews of dominating the media, one of the oldest anti-Jewish canards. Graham went on to blame Jews for putting out pornographic stuff. He told Nixon that the Jewish stranglehold has to be broken or the country will go down the drain. He admitted to Nixon that Jews do not really know his true feelings about them....


http://www.beth-elsa.org/be_s0419a.htm

That was interesting. I am glad that he saw his mistake and not only apologized but worked to right his wrong. We can all learn from the misdeeds of others and hopefully correct our own misdeeds against our fellow man/woman. (insert clapping politically correct emoticon here):wink: laugh

yashafox_F4X1's photo
Sun 03/30/08 06:40 PM
Must've been an off day for him.

yzrabbit1's photo
Sun 03/30/08 06:47 PM




...In 1972, Graham agreed with Nixon that our nation's problems lie with the satanic Jews. Both accused Jews of dominating the media, one of the oldest anti-Jewish canards. Graham went on to blame Jews for putting out pornographic stuff. He told Nixon that the Jewish stranglehold has to be broken or the country will go down the drain. He admitted to Nixon that Jews do not really know his true feelings about them....


http://www.beth-elsa.org/be_s0419a.htm

That was interesting. I am glad that he saw his mistake and not only apologized but worked to right his wrong. We can all learn from the misdeeds of others and hopefully correct our own misdeeds against our fellow man/woman. (insert clapping politically correct emoticon here):wink: laugh


You must have just read the title. At first he said he didn't say that. Then he said he didn't remember it. Then just a 4 line written apology. Yikes.

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Sun 03/30/08 06:57 PM





...In 1972, Graham agreed with Nixon that our nation's problems lie with the satanic Jews. Both accused Jews of dominating the media, one of the oldest anti-Jewish canards. Graham went on to blame Jews for putting out pornographic stuff. He told Nixon that the Jewish stranglehold has to be broken or the country will go down the drain. He admitted to Nixon that Jews do not really know his true feelings about them....


http://www.beth-elsa.org/be_s0419a.htm

That was interesting. I am glad that he saw his mistake and not only apologized but worked to right his wrong. We can all learn from the misdeeds of others and hopefully correct our own misdeeds against our fellow man/woman. (insert clapping politically correct emoticon here):wink: laugh


You must have just read the title. At first he said he didn't say that. Then he said he didn't remember it. Then just a 4 line written apology. Yikes.

Nope. I read the whole thing.Everyone else that reads the whole thing will hopefully understand my previous statement.

yashafox_F4X1's photo
Sun 03/30/08 07:00 PM
Must have been an off day.

yzrabbit1's photo
Sun 03/30/08 07:08 PM

Must have been an off day.



I don't think you make a series of comments like that on an off day. Sounds much more like a life time philosophy.


yashafox_F4X1's photo
Sun 03/30/08 07:33 PM
Must have been an off life.

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Sun 03/30/08 09:39 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 03/30/08 09:44 PM
Rabbit...this part of the article stood out for me...

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" ... Yet he said: “My remarks did not reflect my love the Jewish people. I humbly ask the Jewish people to reflect on my actions on behalf of Jews over the years that contradict my words in the Oval Office that day.”

In fact, he has always been a strong ally of the Jewish people. In the summer of 1996, as a Southern Baptist, Graham, like Dr. Buckner Fanning, disassociated himself from the Southern Baptist Convention resolution to target Jews for conversion. Quoting New Testament verses in the Book of Romans, Graham once said:

“I believe God has always had a special relationship with the Jewish people....In my evangelistic efforts, I have never felt called to single out Jews as Jews....Just as Judaism frowns on proselytizing that is coercive, or that seeks to commit men against their will, so do I.”

Little in Billy Graham's background would have led him to embracing Jews. He was born on a dairy farm near Charlotte, North Carolina. His whole culture during his boyhood was rooted in a rural Protestant Christianity. He probably never knew a Jew in those early years.

Yet, over the decades, he has shown a strong affinity to Judaism and the Jewish people. For example, in the 1970's and 1980's, he managed to conduct crusades in the former Soviet Union, while the Communists were still in control. At the same time, he worked behind the scenes with Jewish leaders to advance the cause of Soviet Jewry. His goal was not to convert Jews but to rescue them from their cruel oppression and to bring them to lands of freedom.

Billy Graham has also been an avid champion of the State of Israel. In fact, his daughter, for a while, lived on a kibbutz. His Evangelic Association several years ago produced a documentary about Israel called, "His Land.” In it, Graham shows respect for Judaism.

Furthermore, Graham was a friend of Golda Meir, the late Prime Minister of Israel. She hailed him as a "great human being, and outstanding spokesman for peace and rich brotherhood...” She commented that she would always remember him for his deep understanding of Israel's problems and for his support of Israel's struggle for peace for all the nations in that area.

Many prestigious national Jewish organizations have recognized his solidarity with the Jewish people. In 1977, Graham won the first interreligious award from the American Jewish Committee. The late Rabbi Marc Tanenbaum, the Interreligious Director of the AJC at that time, declared that most of the progress of Protestant-Jewish relations over the past quarter century was due to Billy Graham.

In a recent Letter to the Editor of the New York Times, Georgette Bennett, Tanenbaum's widow, recalled a marvelous story her husband told her about Graham's intervention in the 1973 war in Israel. Many others had also intervened. Yet it was only after Graham's phone call to Nixon, that the president send a military airlift to Israel. It was that dramatic action that helped to insure Israel's survival.

How then shall we evaluate Billy Graham in the light of these anti-Jewish disclosures? We regretfully have to look upon Billy Graham with strong ambivalence and even suspicion. We strongly deplore Graham's covert bigotry voiced 30 years ago and, as a result, now see him as the Jewish people's fallen hero..."

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Rabbit...Point is, maybe he did make a negative statment at one time, but he also shared how he definitely loved and supported the Jewish people...and showed nothing but good, dispite one negative statement.

So..what was your point in sharing this, Rabbit?

Sad that someone has to point out that one mistake in a christian's life, and over look the good that he did, with the rest of his life...:cry:

And the jewish people do NOT look at him as a fallen hero..that is ONLY the statement , WRITTEN by the author of this article..ONLY.

very often the Words of the media , or of a few spoken few, detract from the real truth....


yzrabbit1's photo
Mon 03/31/08 05:24 AM

My point is clear. He made very disgusting statements about another religious group. This was not sometime before the Nazi Holocaust in the 40's. He made these statements in the very recent past of the 1970's.
He also did not just come forward guilt ridden because of what he had said. He went along day after day for years without ever feeling a need to mention it. Then when he got caught he finally came clean after he discovered he could not worm out of it.
His statement in the oval office is the most telling, when he states that the Jewish people do not know how I feel about them(the fact that they are evil.) So it is very clear that he can act one way in public and think something different.
Sure he made an apology, but past statements make it clear that he probably is not sharing how he really feels with the public. He is to slick a public figure to tell people the truth.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/31/08 06:32 AM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Mon 03/31/08 06:40 AM
all anyone can do when they make comments is to be accountable for it and try to make it right. people say things alot that they wish they can take back or they have grown since it was said.

I don't think there is a word limit on apologizing. If someone has wronged me...an "I'm sorry" works for me as long as it is backed up by actions

Godschosengirl's photo
Mon 03/31/08 07:09 AM


My point is clear. He made very disgusting statements about another religious group. This was not sometime before the Nazi Holocaust in the 40's. He made these statements in the very recent past of the 1970's.
He also did not just come forward guilt ridden because of what he had said. He went along day after day for years without ever feeling a need to mention it. Then when he got caught he finally came clean after he discovered he could not worm out of it.
His statement in the oval office is the most telling, when he states that the Jewish people do not know how I feel about them(the fact that they are evil.) So it is very clear that he can act one way in public and think something different.
Sure he made an apology, but past statements make it clear that he probably is not sharing how he really feels with the public. He is to slick a public figure to tell people the truth.




Wow. So now, anyone who should make any type of derrogatory comment ever in their lifetime should be held accountable no matter if it was in error??? I'm sorry, Rabbit, But I HIGHLY doubt you are a perfect man because only one of those walked this earth and his name was JESUS CHRIST. Billy Graham is one of the most faithful servants of Christ I have ever seen. Does this make him perfect? Certainly not! None of us will ever be perfect until we are called home to heaven. However, the only Judge of Mr. Graham's TRUE intentions and sincerity of his apology is Christ Himself. Not you, not me or anyone else. As Christ said, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone."
Rabbit, you go ahead and imply all you want that Mr. Graham is a bigot or otherwise if you can HONESTLY say that you have NEVER said ANYTHING derrogatory EVER about anyone that you have regreted in your lifetime.

In Christ United We Stand! Blessings...smooched bigsmile

yzrabbit1's photo
Mon 03/31/08 02:43 PM



My point is clear. He made very disgusting statements about another religious group. This was not sometime before the Nazi Holocaust in the 40's. He made these statements in the very recent past of the 1970's.
He also did not just come forward guilt ridden because of what he had said. He went along day after day for years without ever feeling a need to mention it. Then when he got caught he finally came clean after he discovered he could not worm out of it.
His statement in the oval office is the most telling, when he states that the Jewish people do not know how I feel about them(the fact that they are evil.) So it is very clear that he can act one way in public and think something different.
Sure he made an apology, but past statements make it clear that he probably is not sharing how he really feels with the public. He is to slick a public figure to tell people the truth.




Wow. So now, anyone who should make any type of derrogatory comment ever in their lifetime should be held accountable no matter if it was in error??? I'm sorry, Rabbit, But I HIGHLY doubt you are a perfect man because only one of those walked this earth and his name was JESUS CHRIST. Billy Graham is one of the most faithful servants of Christ I have ever seen. Does this make him perfect? Certainly not! None of us will ever be perfect until we are called home to heaven. However, the only Judge of Mr. Graham's TRUE intentions and sincerity of his apology is Christ Himself. Not you, not me or anyone else. As Christ said, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone."
Rabbit, you go ahead and imply all you want that Mr. Graham is a bigot or otherwise if you can HONESTLY say that you have NEVER said ANYTHING derrogatory EVER about anyone that you have regreted in your lifetime.

In Christ United We Stand! Blessings...smooched bigsmile


Derogatory comments about individual people? Yes I have made comments like that about individuals. I have never made a statement like that about a major racial group. Maybe thats why it is hard for me to understand what happened here.
I think it is pretty clear that I do not hold my tongue on how I feel. I just do not understand misleading some group of people into thinking that I feel one way when I actually feel another way.