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Mon 09/14/15 01:41 PM
Edited by debbie1980 on Mon 09/14/15 01:45 PM

I knew debbie was a smart cookie flowerforyou :wink: laugh


laugh laugh laugh flowerforyou

I think me and you are the only ones who stated our gender. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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Mon 09/14/15 01:39 PM

Erm. This is a kinda hard decision to make i think... but I think I'd ave to go with a YES Debbie. But probably won't know until it happens to us


It is hard, On my worst days, If I could pick, I could think sod everyone else, someone else can give others compassion, I just want this suffering to end, that thought has never happened yet, but ive never been give the opportunity to trade my compassion in. But like ive said, if that day comes where I lost it, I think my time would be over on earth. flowerforyou flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 01:34 PM

I'd suggest another equation for your challenge, OP. Mainly because if I gave up my "beautiful soul qualities," they would most likely include any recognition that I had lost anything.

Instead, make the exchange for something else that would hurt.

One thing I've already pondered and decided, is that I would not exchange the pain I have suffered, for the loss of understanding of the world that I gained from it.


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for me, Obviously this will never happen, I would never have to pick,no one would, but for me I wouldn't trade my personality to be cured.

Im not a parent yet, but if I saw my child going through what I do, knowing what its like, if I had to trade my compassion to give my child a life free of pain and suffering, I really don't know what I would do.

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Mon 09/14/15 01:19 PM

well that was the price you asked abouttongue2



I was just checking in what order. Thanks Eric. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 01:12 PM

while i have never experienced it myself i have had family members in that boat debbie and i can say this i think that would be way to high a price to pay.


If you mean trading in your soul to stop a debilitating illness is a high price to pay, yes I agree. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 01:09 PM

I understood :) my point is, even with solely physical pain and illness ... If one try to focus on making peace with the pain , pain would give up and you will end up healed... i know it's easier said than done and some might think it takes special qualities/capabilities... but i believe everyone of us can do this. Peace out


I understand what your saying. Thank you. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 01:08 PM

Have a healthy, strong body but lose the very essence of me? No way.
And sure very tempting to not have daily chronic pain anymore, to be able to do everything without having to think twice.
But if it costs me my essence ... no. My essence defines me, and although I sometimes feel my chronic aches and chit does too, lol, it doesn't. Simply doesn't make life any easier, but yeah ...

And you know, in some weird way having these chronic things helped shape my essence. You start seeing life differently, learn to value things differently, learn to adept so you can still do what makes you happy, in spite of chronic ailments.

I think I would feel different if I needed to take a lot of meds that would suck the life out of me. (My sister has that, serious case of epilepsy. I think she'd very happily trade in her qualities, as her quality of life isn't just low, but below zero. Far below zero. Her qualities aren't of any use to her, are basically meaningless due to epilepsy and an overload of meds. SHe's literally just withering in a home.
So in that sense ... it still depends what illness you're talking about)


What you said at the start is similar to what I said about myself.

This is difficult because I could say so much more here, about quality of life and being heavily medicated, but for two reasons I cant go there.

1/ This thread isn't about me and I don't want it to be
2/ I don't want people to know what I have been battling and what I still am now 24/7.

It will vary on the illness of course, I cant separate each one from another, and some can be effected more by a condition that is medically less suffering than another. Its so individual.

Nice post crystal, thank you. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 01:00 PM

I truly have not experienced a debilitating illness with physical pain other than grief of losing my husband of 23 years. I can only say that in those first few months, I didn't care about my attitude, manners, good or bad soul...All I wanted was to simply be wherever He was. My friends and family have told me that, yes, I was NOT myself...meaning not polite, friendly or thought about anyone except for myself. I don't know how I survived, I truly don't. flowerforyou

I DO think that now, after experiencing that heavy, heavy loss and healing (not sure if that's the correct word, but it will do for now) from it I would be more thoughtful and simply endure. Whatever "enduring" may mean in different scenarios.




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Mon 09/14/15 12:57 PM
Edited by debbie1980 on Mon 09/14/15 01:19 PM

Interesting post OP.

Anyone that lives with major life hurdles, chronic pain, or disabilities of one nature or another I thinks about what is called "Bargaining for a cure" at least occassionally.

Even parents with disabled children fall into this. Most of us would give up almost anything to spare our child.

Since my "bad" qualities would have and even easier time of taking me over than bargaining away the few good ones I can muster at times I don't think I would do it.

Partially because I finnally made peace with the idea that I am a PERSON FIRST and the "problem" way further down the line. It took me a while to get there and the understanding love and support; even a few kicking the pitty pot out from underneath me by some of my super crip friends, my one time loving spouse and Incredible Dad , or the thriveing tribe of meanies in the world but it was also why do I have to give up any more to this "problem" I live with than I already have? I am incredibly stubborn and I am not going to give and inch on letting the current condition control the over all being of what I am.

It makles me think of the Poem Cancer survivors often display about what Cancer can't take. I wish I could cut and paste. Maybe someone will chime in and share it.

That does not mean at times that I don't hit the wall and crumble now and then and sniffle and cry on a really bad day. GIving yourself permission to be a PERSON first means allowing for humman feelings; even negative ones.


Nice post star, thanks.

I feel a bit hypocritical to post exactly 100 percent, because im not having one of my worst days. But im 99.9 sure I wouldn't trade my soul in to be free of chronic illness.

But, I will say, being chronically ill myself made me the person I am today, I've always been a compassionate person, that's why I chose the career I did, but I didn't really get it before like I do now, because I hadn't experienced bad chronic illness back then. But when I did get chronically ill I got the overwhelming need and feeling to help people and to be compassionate and empathetic even when I was a patient myself.

edited and added from the thread that inspired me to write this thread.

Doctors have criticised me for being so compassionate of others and always helping, this is when I've been in hospital myself as a patient because other patients turned to me for help because I could understand them and the staff couldn't. They were right to a degree because I put them before me and I wasn't getting much better, but they were. But that's me and I don't think I could be any other way even if I tried, BUT I would never want to be any other way. That's makes me, me. I wouldn't want to be in this world if I lost my soul and that's why I couldn't trade my soul for anything.

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Mon 09/14/15 12:43 PM
The reason I didn't bring up trading mental/emotional issues with your soul is because I didn't want to stir up difficult and more upsetting memories.

Plus there's a lot of different pain that causes mental/emotional issues and trading your soul is mental as well, so I didn't want to confuse things. ive confused myself laugh

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Mon 09/14/15 12:36 PM

I dont think I would, NO. see, as we grow awareness within our self being, we get familiar with our pain ... I for once was hurt so bad emotionally that it affected me physically alot, only way i overcame it was making peace with my pain.. i know it might sound sick! but it's like loving your pain so honestly , like cherishing it and its cause that it becomes a delight and once it transforms into that, pain itself feel like there's no purpose for it to stay .. so it leaves... each and everyone of us is their own best healers...
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Sorry I was focusing on physical pain and not emotional pain. I will edit the original post.

Thanks for posting. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 12:32 PM
Edited by debbie1980 on Mon 09/14/15 12:32 PM


Im female laugh laugh laugh


...say it isn't so noway laugh :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: flowerforyou flowerforyou
(i think you get why I posted it like that)flowerforyou


yes...... because if people don't have photo's, you haven't got to view their profile to get your statistics.

Much easier this way. flowerforyou

Please post your results. laugh flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 12:22 PM

I don't have any qualities to trade laugh drinks pitchfork


That isn't true at all. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 12:22 PM

wow tough question.

I don't know.
I get migraines and sometimes the pain would get so bad and last for days that I often said if I get a lobotomy it might help.

then I had a minor surgery on my right shoulder and the incision site still hurts every so often over a year later.

so trade the essence of you for healing, hard to say


I get cluster headaches, there hell, but thankfully, I only get them once a month or so, and when im very stressed they really flare up.

If you get migraines all the time, that must be horrible. flowerforyou

I know it is a tough question. sorry. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 12:15 PM
Edited by debbie1980 on Mon 09/14/15 12:16 PM
Im female laugh laugh laugh

And, 2 cups a day. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 12:11 PM
Edited by debbie1980 on Mon 09/14/15 12:37 PM
Trade your beautiful soul/ qualities if you would be cured from a chronic illness/injury etc.

I just made a post in the stress thread, that inspired me to write this thread.

For example, If you suffered from a debilitating chronic illness, that caused much suffering and pain etc.....and there was no cure IF you had the option to be cured of your chronic illness and trade it in for your beautiful soul, for example in my case, compassion/empathy, whatever your best quality is, would you?

For people who haven't got chronic illnesses and they CANT imagine what they would do,im trying to make this easier for you, but the same still applies. For example, if you needed your leg amputated etc..... and you could trade your soul/best qualities and keep your leg and save your self from illness, would you?

I am asking about YOU personally.

BUT if people want to add their children to this, that is fine. I know that's a tough one, so please don't feel you have to answer, what ever you feel comfortable with.

I AM FOCUSING ON PHYSICAL ILLNESSES FOR THIS THREAD.

Thanks peeps. waving waving

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Mon 09/14/15 11:32 AM

U re so funny!! @Lovablepeter.. There are lots of people on here. How do u want us to guess?


Exactly, its virtually impossible laugh laugh

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Mon 09/14/15 10:44 AM
Edited by debbie1980 on Mon 09/14/15 11:26 AM

Did stress add to the silver-white hairs on your head? Ive been getting more...tears


I haven't got any at the moment, but im thinking in the next month all my blonde hair will turn grey through stress. laugh laugh laugh

For me, the stress I find the hardest, is when you cant turn your back and you have to face what's happening and coming and there's nothing you can do to stop it and you have no control over it, well apart from topping yourself that's the only way out.

That really isn't a option, it would only be if I lost my compassion for other people. That's never happened to me, despite the darkest times I've been through, I've always put others before myself.

Doctors have criticised me for this when I've been in hospital myself as a patient because other patients turned to me for help because I could understand them and the staff couldn't. They were right to a degree because I put them before me and I wasn't getting much better, but they were. But that's me and I don't think I could be any other way even if I tried, BUT I would never want to be any other way. That's makes me, me.

The people who truly understand and get it, are the people who have been there themselves. I don't care how many text books doctor's read or how high up they are etc, they will never understand to the extent of people who have been there.

During my nursing career, I would never say ''I understand'', because how can I when I have never been there. I just did everything I could for them and understood as much as I possibly could and I only could imagine their pain and what they were going throughbrokenheart . Saying I understand to patients when I haven't been there, would in my opinion make me a hypocrite, trying to understand is the best anyone can do. I always found patients really appreciated that, than someone making out they fully understand when they cant if they haven't been there.


But if I ever lost my compassion/empathy for others, I wouldn't want to be in this world anymore because I wouldn't be 'me' anymore. That would be the end for me. Loosing my soul, my compassion, to me is the WORST thing that could happen to me, over everything I have been through. Im glad I've NEVER once lost that for others and I pray I never do.

Even if I totally gave up on myself ( which I have at times) that's ok, as long as I NEVER loose my compassion, empathy for others.


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Mon 09/14/15 09:42 AM

My freckles


I used to get a few freckles when I was younger if I went out in the sun, but that hasn't happened for years now.

But I think freckles are cute too. flowerforyou

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Mon 09/14/15 09:08 AM

prayers for u debbie..get well soon. god bless you.


Thank you. I really need them brokenheart flowerforyou flowerforyou