a) Yes. Widely reported.

b) ?!?!

What the &^%$ are convicted murderers in an ostensible high security prison supposed to do with "frozen meat"?!

Take it to the kitchenette in their cell, thaw it in the microwave, and then saut� it w/ shallots & garlic?

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The 8:AM update was more about Palmer than the escapees.

What a revealing insight!
I deduce your derisive, disrespectful "obarry" reference is to President Obama.

The reality is, I defend the truth, and advocate for conservative political values.

Yet in your mind, that's:

You flatter Obama, and to some extent me, I suppose.

I'm too s a v v y to identify myself in the negative; by what I am not.
We are defined by what we are, and I am politically & fiscally conservative. Not only talk the talk, but walk the walk. The only debt I carry is that which accrues between billing periods on my credit cards. I pay no interest on them; so basically it's the bank giving me interest free loans each month.
I own my diesel tractor, my motorcycle, my car, my home, and my estate free and clear; no mortgage, no loan.
I do it. And Uncle Sam should too.

I'm most likely far to the right of you, and unquestionably of our Republican congressional leadership, both loony lefties to me.
- Neither has advocated repealing all U.S. federal entitlement programs: that means Social Security, and all the rest of it.
Speaker Boehner (R-OH) doesn't advocate that.
Majority Leader McConnell (R-KY) doesn't advocate that.

I don't consider the VA an entitlement. I consider it an earned benefit; and I advocate preserving that, and that alone.

- I advocate surplus budgets and paying off the debt.
Rand Paul is the only one I know of that might support that. Is he "tea party"?

- The root word of "conservatism" means to conserve. What I intend to conserve is out 18th Century most noble principles. And they are articulated wisely by our Founders:

I cyber-indulge you here mm because I am in some sense a patient man. I'm relatively new here, just tonight eclipsing the 300 post count.
I don't need to explain myself to you.
I don't need your validation.
And patient though I may be, I don't have the time to bring you up to speed on reality.

I merely offer you these very generous didactic insights so you in exchange will address my policy positions; and stop trying to confuse our fellow members by you so grossly misrepresenting my positions with false labels and little else.

If mislabeling is the best you can do, perhaps a children's forum would be more your speed.

Economically, if these hunters could afford a palace on the savannah, they'd probably have one.

These "hunting camps" are little more than wood shacks.
And the sad economic fact is:

a) They seldom lock them, because they know if anyone wants in, they'll break in.

b) A gun safe could cost more than the guns inside it.

c) I'm not sure "immoral or illegal!!!" is the highest standard here; and may be more like the lowest.
There are matters of ethics, and safety to the community.

I've got a .22 I use for both small game, and varmint hunting (I shoot porcupines on sight). When it is not in my custody, it is behind 3 doors with locks on each.

Perhaps I have misunderestimated you mm.
It is true that the definition of the word "liberal" has been in historic transition; as William F. Buckley Jr. explains:

But you are correct, like William F. Buckley Jr., Dr. Milton Friedman, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, etc. I too support a restrained government.
If you wish to continue to mischaracterize that as liberal, be my guest.

Thank you for helping to burnish my modern day politically conservative credentials.

But I understand.
Without any legitimate criticism, it's easiest just name calling. And "liberal" is the Republican's boogeyman of the day.

I'll continue to post substance.
Those that prefer ad hom can populate the peanut gallery.

Persons of integrity.
More to the point, who say is wasn't?




mm:
I'm sincerely impressed.
That was impressive and expansive a non sequitur as I've read in quite some time.

If you have any proof U.S. consumers would be "paying ten dollars a gallon for gas (sic)" had the Bush (younger) administration not deposed Iraq's Saddam, you're welcome to post it.
But I know you won't,
because I know you can't,
because I know there isn't.

- ah -
So you're saying FDR trusted Stalin.
And Presidents Truman, and that old softie President Dwight D. Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, & Bush all trusted the Soviets?

- news flash -

The U.S. has no need to negotiate such matters with our allies.
The U.S. negotiates with our enemies; our reason for periodic interactions with North Korea's totalitarian Kim Jong dynasty.

There are systemic problems with Secretary Kerry's negotiations with Iran.
The political party he's dealing with are not in supreme leadership.
It may all be for naught.
But Rand Paul is right. It was worth a try.
When we say War is a last resort; political conservatives like Rand Paul and I mean it.

Have the shoot first and ask questions later Republicans learned NOTHING from our titanic blunder in Iraq?!

- NOTHING ?!?!?! -

Then this topic title is irrelevant.

fyi u9:

NO
BODY
negotiates from a superior nuclear weapons power level than the president of the United States.

Familiar, predictable Obama bashing.

There are over a dozen Republicans in contention for the 2016 presidential race.
One of the most conservative; deemed a "Tea Party" member by some, is Rand Paul.

Those that disagree with Senator Paul on this must take one of two positions:

a) Diplomacy isn't appropriate here, and we can just have another Middle East War, and shed the blood of thousands more U.S. tax payers.



- or -

b) $Boink it! Let the diaper-hats have all the nukes they want; no point in U.S. trying to do anything sub-martial to prevent it.

The politically conservative Republican is correct.
It was worth a try.

And this may very well mean a hideous, bloody War with Iran.

If you've got any blood kin in the U.S. military, you may wish to remind them to NOT re-up.

A little past noon a New York State Police spokesman, and a captain from the Forest Rangers had a news conference in Cadyville, NY.

Not much news except:
it was suggested the search is 24/7 to prevent one or both from sleeping (it's not known whether they split up or not).

They found a bloody sock, but State Police say that could just be a blister.

There may be one or more firearms missing from one or more of the buildings in the manhunt.

So be it.
Doesn't their oath of office oblige them to fidelity to law?

If so, the supremacy clause (6. 2.) seals the deal.

If they would perjure their oath, they don't belong in that job.

And what rational reason would they think they're entitled to different treatment under law than those they're sworn to "preserve, protect, defend"?

Apart from that I'm not in the least convinced capital punishment is more severe than life behind bars.

I suspect eternal bliss * would be substantially better than having to wade through the human cesspool of gen. pop.

t8,
Do you agree it's a 14th Amendment issue?

S2,
It's an interesting element of infotainment.
After the remarkable Israeli rescue at Entebbe of airliner hostages.
iirc it was about a week before a paperback book reached store shelves, title:
90 Minutes At Entebbe.

It will be interesting to see the Mitchell video, for several reasons.

5:AM/ET update: the manhunt continues.

The distribution seems to concentrated.

On some superficial level I understand it.

But it seems like cart before horse to me.
The 14th Amendment promises "equal protection of the laws."

So if there are two homicides; one where a tax payer is killed, the other where a COP is killed;
why would the COP killer be more severely (or differently) punished?

If COPs are for our protection, why wouldn't it be the guy that killed one of us that's more severely punished?

- or, same for both -

I do sense the escapees are smarter than the LEO looking for them.

And I get the impression it's not a 24/7 search.
Are they knocking off at night?

When President Bush (elder) went after Panama's Noriega, I think the manhunt was around the clock.

The idea is to keep them cold, hungry, and tired.
Sleep deprivation causes the brain to stumble.

As S2 points out, we're starting week #3 on this.

boooo !

The mystery deepens.

It seems the pair was hole up in a hunting cabin belonging to a hunting club.
Turns out some of the prison employees the murderers knew are members of the club.

Might they have let the murderers know it would be vacant this time of year?

And now police are concerned the escapees may be armed.

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There are reports that tools were smuggled to them in ground beef.

So what is a seamstress doing with ground beef.

- or -

Does that mean the pair also got help from the kitchen?

Well stated mh.

Well t8,
Kasich wants in on the debate. I'm not sure they'll let him.

Walker seems the obvious choice for middle of the roaders that don't want JEB!

Ld,
I'm guessing you can catch what Rove said about Trump from FOX.org
Basically, that Trump will wash out on the financial disclosure issue.

"the bible, for instance, had directions on how to treat slaves" mh

Which makes all the attention he's getting all the more baffling.

I wonder if it's that there are so many Republican candidates, they're sharing a larger pie; yet each candidate gets a lower total.

S2,
I'm in that club.
I like JEB! as a person. But I don't want him or Hillary to run.

mw,
That's scary; out of the frying pan, into the fire.

Socialist Bernie Sanders is reported to be attracting larger campaign crowds than any other candidate of either party.

Perhaps they're mostly college kids.

The political pendulum swings. Isn't it the Republican's turn?

"President Sanders"?! - yikes -

Meanwhile, is there one Republican that's emerging from the group?
Or do we have to wait for the debates for that?