you never did reveal what the serpent said to Grandma ...so can you reveal it now

also when you claimed that the serpent crawled between your Grandpa and Grandma was this a subconscious attempt to portray them as Adam and Eve

i believe the Adversary asked Eve. you know God, do you really believe He would kill you, after specifically creating you for the purpose of helping Adam and to bring forth children, if you ate this Tree.

i believe she correctly reasoned and replied, no, God would not kill me.

and she reasoned right because it was not about her sinning, it was about she knew God and obviously would have believed in Him.

this was going to happen and God set it up immediately to take place.










my Grandparents claim to have seen some very strange things.

her brother Arlo, claimed he sold his soul to the Devil to be the best business of his kind back in the 1940's. he became the wealthiest man in Muncie, Indiana and his family was very well known and lived large.

on several occasions, Arlo came to my Grandfather and would plead and beg that he was going to hell and cannot get out of his deal.

multiple family members have confirmed this, but as my Grandfather would pray and all would join in, Arlo not only claimed, but my family members said, you could see hands around his neck choking him.

and each time he felt like he was breaking free and was going to be saved, the choking would begin and he would yell to stop.

he died eventually still under contract.

a few years later, my Grandparents, after the family members visiting from out of town finally went to bed, went to go to bed themselves. my Grandfather was in the adjoining bathroom when my Grandmother began talking and she was saying, NO, I won't, you must leave forever.

my Grandfather ran in and there what looked just like this ARLO (been dead for some time now) talking to his sister, my Grandmother, when my Grandfather voicefully Rebuked that Demonic Entity and it vanished. evidently, this demonic looking Arlo was saying to my Grandma that he was in charge of taking her with him and if was not able to take her something horrible was going to happen to him.








concerning the snake, where they lived in the smack dab middle of fairmount, indiana (famous for the legend actor james dean and garfield the cat creator jim davis plus cbs announcer jim jones in a town of barely 500 people), they were surrounded by asphalt and concrete and not an environment normal for snakes...to begin with...

but they were in bed and my grandpa would just always be praying even in his sleep. and it was my grandmother who noticed someone being rude to the things my Grandpa was saying while unconsciously praying. my Grandmothers movement was enough to wake my Grandfather as my Grandmother was looking for the speaking person she heard. when the snake curled itself and they felt the movement causing them to jump off the bed and kicking the covers off.

and there it was, a snake, and when my Grandfather began rebuking it, it began to laugh at my grandfather. not sure what was said, just was told by both grandparents that after them praying the snake just vanished.

Your religion is all about sin.
Its based on sin, the 'first' sin.
If it were not about sin, Adam and Eve would still be in the garden of Eden.
People wouldn't wear clothes.
There would be no forgiveness, no repenting, no need to be 'saved'.

that is a misinterpretation of what someone thinks it claims.

but even if you want to play the sin card, you have to believe in God first.

Yeshua's death covered sins past, present, future.

the only trick of it all, is just believing God exists!!

i don't have a Religion, i have a Relationship!!

So I can go steal, rape and murder as long as I believe in your God?
I'm covered because your messiah died?
Cool, that actually explains a lot.

you can, but after getting to know the Messiah you choose to believe He is Real and Exists, you won't want to go and sin period. as a human, there are times we think person to person can be fixed every time with i am sorry. not the case. and not the case with God.

if you are a trekkie you do trekkie things.

if you are a follower of God,you do the things Yeshua did all because you believe in Yeshua.

but in that, we make mistakes towards other fellow humans.


look at Cain, he murdered his brother, and then it was his son Enoch who became the first known stout name in the Lineage of the Messiah!!

was there a place where God punished Cain, other than making him move? did God kill him? did God make him Repent?

No to all

Cain knew he did wrong and repented on his own behalf. but nevertheless, God did not kill Eve, or Cain, and still kept them Lineage!!

TWO TIMES God mentions to David in Psalms, i hate burnt offerings and sacrifices!!

i believe Moses did something God did not approve of. he ultimately did not get to see the promise land for disobeying God, maybe the Egyptian form of Sacrifice God found offensive!!

but for most certain, God hated it!!



and the Jews are still trying to do it today in Israel, the Mosail Sacrifice!!

5 Many, O LORD my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered.

6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

verse 6 is rather specific of the point in last posts i have been trying to convey:


but yes, indeed, it's the true inner and reasoning Act of Believing that God is real and exists that what is the most important key aspect of it all!!

that same verse 6 in the ENGLISH Bible is verse 7 n the Hebrew Text:


7 You desired neither sacrifice nor meal offering; You dug open my closed ears for me; a burnt offering or a sin offering You did not request.

זזֶ֚בַח וּמִנְחָ֨ה
לֹֽא־חָפַ֗צְתָּ אָ֖זְנַיִם כָּרִ֣יתָ לִּ֑י עוֹלָ֥ה וַֽ֜חֲטָאָ֗ה לֹ֣א שָׁאָֽלְתָּ:

I saw a hindu goddess
I saw Kali
Somebody asked me, if I could see a hindu god, which 1 would I choose to see
I chose Kali
It was in India
The person who asked me was Catholic
Kali looks scary, I hope anybody who is offended by that, will forgive me
Sure, I'm sure, plenty of folks can give alternate possibilities, of what caused me to see, what I saw, and heck, they might be right
But who knows, maybe I did see her, I sure saw something
( I bring this up, because of a comment a page or 2 ago, that asked why some Hindu people see the god, they've chosed to worship, or something like that )
Have you heard of the hindu sect the Aghori? Check that out

i will look into them.

and no i do not doubt what anyone has claim to believe they saw. even if it doesn't make sense how and why, it does happen. and not to all people. and for those who never experience something, it makes sense for them to think the worst of you. but to those who think it's lightning and reflections, a fluke of whatever, a spirit form, whatever it may be, it's much different when you see it.

even if you dont find the answers to it, it will never leave your memory and be a reminder that we are not the only ones here!!

I've never
Seen a God
Seen an Angel
Seen a demon
Seen an alien
Seen a ghost
Seen a fairy
Seen a pixie
Seen a sprite

I have seen hallucinations from being over tired or weird ambient lighting conditions.

I see dimentional manifestations of shadow creatures crawling all over everything at night when I am tired and watching movies. Manifestations of a different dimension showing thru to my vision.
Could creep me out but I am intrigued. I realize it is a play of mind on the low flickering light conditions in my home.

In the late 80s I was doing some sensory deprivation tests and saw a whole bunch of mind manifestations I could have sworn in court were actually there.
Thing is, after resting and eating, no more manifestations.

All I'm saying is the mind can manifest any type of 'vision' you might be 'primed' to see. The actual validation comes only if you see those things regularly and someone else confirms it.
If it is only in your own mind, only you will see it.

I'm sure you're right, Tom. The mind is not yet understood very well. When people know a lot more about it, these manifestations will be explained. We already know about psychotic drugs and that people have weird experiences when taking them. I think people primed to believe in imaginary deities, for which there is no 'concrete' proof, will be able to invent that proof in a very convincing way and actually believe that what they 'saw' was a proof of what they believe. When these delusions have all been explained away we will no doubt be left with a small group of people who deny the science, even when their visions are easily explained. That's the problem with these things - they look so 'real' that it will be very difficult to explain to them that in fact they are delusions. At least I'm not among the delusioned!

I took old film photos in the dark, no lights or reflections or flash, in an old hanging gaol on a midnight tour, and the photos showed pinkish reddish purplish whispy spiral shaped eddys, like a small dust devil, at about man height some metres down the corridor. At the time my eyes saw nothing.

So I know stuff is out there; weird spooky things; helpers; seers; human robots; and who knows what else, (M.I.B.).
But still no.

none of the religious books used the term "Adversary" in the case of "Eve" but all used the term "Serpent" ....so what do you said that you maintain an air of honesty and not substitute words or someone might think you also change the words in the stories of your Grandparents ...so be a buddy be a pal


you also claimed to be so wealthy that you could buy and sell your past enemies ....so did you also sell your soul to the devil?


why didn't grandpa suggest that a deal breaker with the devil would be if uncle arlo accepted Jesus as his Lord and savior


sound like a form of Throat Spasm .."Zenker’s Diverticulum" is one example


according to christian theology for this level of demonic forces to dwell in your home they would have to be first invited in like with a ouija board, tarot cards etc. and to rid the home of such evil forces would require your home to be Blessed by a Priest ....or perhaps an Exorcism ...did this take place? ..if the answer is no...why?


where there are rodents in indiana there are snakes ...built it and they will come



this is so easy to explain ....Grandpa was having a nightmare speaking in tongue or Gibberish and his leg touching Grandma leg which frighteningly woke Grandma up and believing it to be a snake jumped out of Bed with a now awaken Grandpa with the bed sheet curling up resembling a snake ...when the lights were turned on and the bedspread look under it appear that the snake had vanished

why did i come to this conclusion ....it's because the supposedly demonic snake or what appeared to be a snake didn't say anything to Grandma and one can only conclude that the lights were off so how could Grandma see anything let alone a snake

also could uncle arlo be the semi trucker and that's how the trucker knew everyone name

funches, i'm to the point where you no longer amuse me.

and to verify the Serpent is indeed the Adversary, this is what God tells it when He explains what his actions have caused and will result in.

and byw, everyone with a CLUE, knows the SEED of the Adversary is the antichrist and the SEED of Eve will eventually be Yeshua, the Messiah!!


15 And I shall place hatred between you and between the woman, and between your seed and between her seed. (((He will crush your head))), and you will bite his heel (this is the crucifixion being mentioned 4300 years before it takes place)."

טווְאֵיבָ֣ה | אָשִׁ֗ית בֵּֽינְךָ֙ וּבֵ֣ין הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה וּבֵ֥ין זַֽרְעֲךָ֖ וּבֵ֣ין זַרְעָ֑הּ ה֚וּא יְשֽׁוּפְךָ֣ רֹ֔אשׁ וְאַתָּ֖ה תְּשׁוּפֶ֥נּוּ עָקֵֽב:

i definitely buy everything you posted here with one exception:

all the things you list that you believe exist do with evil spirituality of the sort. and we know people can really be evil and it's deep within their spirit of pure evil.

so, if evil exists, then why does not the OPPOSITE of evil exist in same fashion?

those Spirits that do evil and harm vs those that do good and heal do so because they are representatives of that Source.

and if Good Healing Spirits do exist, then why is it impossible that the true ultimate Spirit of God does not exist?


i really like how you scratch all along the dividing line of belief and then that is enough belief. but i believe in those same Spirits you mention, i just also believe there is an equal opposite side of evil that also exists. and it is here where God can be found.

i agree i can see those same things.

but i am not just seeing a full outline of something clearly in current existence, but it's the conversation or what that spirit has said that gives it reality more than just seeing it!!

it's not just the sense of vision here, hearing is clear and audible. and i've had brain scans done, and tested. and like i keep mentioning, i am someone blessed with a photogenic memory but am as average as any human being a therapist feels more than comfortable in having back out onto our streets.

and i went to the therapist on my own behalf.

and he told me, trust me, Sciences knows a lot more of what is out there, but that information only gives fuel for faith, not for further exploration.

so even Science has enough to convince them of God!!